Hermes Workshop Log File

Hierarchy of the Self; The Higher Self, The Soul, The Monad; what are the distinctions?

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*** Log file opened: 1/12/98 1:52:25 PM
<Hermes`> ho ho ho
<Urantic> santa!
<Hermes`> Yes
<_jason> well hello there
<_jason> hermes, xmas is over! :)
<Hermes`> really!!! :((
<Gamble> hermes: question, as I read through the the monad-description it sounds a little bit to me like it's the same thing than higher-self. am I right?
<Hermes`> the monad is a higher self, but it is the highest self.
<Hermes`> it is the Father aspect of God.
<Hermes`> The Soul is the mother Aspect of God.
<Gamble> it is the higher-self?
<Hermes`> It is the highest self is more correct.
<Hermes`> since the higher self is a term that can have many meanings.
<Hermes`> the process works like this..
<Gamble> Is it THE higher self which is commonly spoken of that you should unite with it?
<Hermes`> first you tune into your higher self (which really is the human part of you that has learned all the human lessons) then...
<Hermes`> then you begin to merge with the Soul aspect of yourself or of God....
<Hermes`> then once Soul merge is complete the Monad descends (the father aspect) and begins to merge with you.
<Hermes`> higher self -- Soul -- Monad
<Hermes`> technically when the human self and the monad merge completely you achieve ascension.
<Hermes`> there is a mantra that you can use to help pull the monad down into your aura...
<Hermes`> you can translate it into your own language if you like...
<Hermes`> it goes..
<Hermes`> I am the Self...
<Hermes`> I am the Monad...
<Hermes`> I am First Cause...
<Hermes`> I am God.
<Hermes`> you say it over and over.
<Hermes`> If you do this mantra regularly you will begin to feel the monadic energy start to descend on you.
Hermes` is away making a tea... brb
Hermes` is back... fire away
<Gamble> what I wanted to ask, why is everybody only speaking about THE higher self? I don't remember reading about other things to merge before ascending. are you sure you are right? or do other people just name those things different?
<Gamble> ...than you
<Hermes`> the higher self has been used to describe various aspects of your evolution. As such it has never really pointed to any particular level.
<Hermes`> people just threw the term around and did not really elaborate on what self they were talking about.
<Hermes`> I like to call the higher self that part of our self just above human, the part of us that has completed all the human lessons.
<Gamble> isn't it supposed to be just some 2nd half? or am I mixing some things up...
<Hermes`> the higher self is not really your spirit, if that is what you are asking.
<Hermes`> When you merge with your higher self, you have a greater sense of who you are...
<Hermes`> you are able to intuitively know what to do...
<Hermes`> a good number of your actions are based on what is the best course.
<Gamble> according to my dictionary, I thought that this thing called spirit is always in me, otherwise I would have problems to think anything :)
<Hermes`> you are right your spirit is always with you.
<Hermes`> your higher self and spirit are not the same thing.
<Gamble> define spirit
<Hermes`> spirit is the energy field that is you beyond the physical body.
<Gamble> why isn't it the aura?
<Hermes`> the aura is a visible aspect of the spirit.
<Gamble> (I'm just trying to find out what you mean exactly with spirit)
<Hermes`> when you leave your body, you take your spirit with you.
<Gamble> isn't some astral-body as visible as the aura?
<Hermes`> the aura is just a light given off by your spirit no matter where it may be, physical reality, astral plane, mental plane.
<Gamble> ok, I think I know now what you mean with spirit
<Gamble> next question: why do you say the spirit is with me. I'd say I am the spirit, no?
<Hermes`> yes you are the spirit, you are correct.
<Hermes`> the physical body and spirit are separate, which is what I meant.
<Gamble> hmmmm, so...how's the soul then defined?
<Hermes`> The Soul servers as a mid point to the Monad and the human self.
<Hermes`> It gives the human self a point it can reach too.
<Gamble> I always thought I have/am a soul.
<Hermes`> think of the higher self, the soul, and the monad as steps upward back to God.
<Hermes`> soul with a small 's' usually refers to the spirit.
<Hermes`> it's term was misapplied throughout the centuries and became to mean the spirit.
<Hermes`> The Soul (capital s) is the mid point. It is the divine Mother energy.
<Hermes`> without this midpoint it would be impossible to reconnect with the Monad from the human self.
<Gamble> so you say the definition "The spiritual nature of human beings, regarded as immortal, separable from the body at death, and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state." of Soul (capital S) is wrong, right?
<Hermes`> correct. there they are talking about the spirit.
<Hermes`> they are using the wrong term.
<Gamble> is "A person considered as the perfect embodiment of an intangible quality; a personification" more correct?
<Hermes`> yes the error goes back a long time, hundreds of years.
<Gamble> but the error isn't an error anymore because it's so called group-reality, no?
<Hermes`> when the human self merges with with the Soul (the mother aspect of divinity) they are considered a perfect embodiment.
<Gamble> (you may have noticed, I'm in questioning mood today, if you don't mind :)
<Hermes`> in the metaphysical training we try to remove the blur that has been around these various terms that the group consciousness has accepted...
<Hermes`> this enables you to aim more clearly and reach the points of evolution you are intending to get too.
<Hermes`> first you seek to merge with your higher self, which is easily done once you start walking the path...
<Hermes`> then you seek to merge with the Soul (the mother aspect of God). When you accomplish this, almost every action you take can be in accordance with divine law...
<Hermes`> you are free of karma at this point...
<Hermes`> you are no longer making up for past acts or sins...
<Hermes`> then you strive to merge with the monad...
<Hermes`> in short you are attempting to bring your own divinity, your inner God into your entire person.
<Hermes`> you are eliminating all unpure action from yourself...
<Hermes`> you are becoming a divine being.
<Hermes`> once you merge with the monad you are free of reincarnation and you possess a body of light.
<Hermes`> in previous days this meant you had to leave physical reality...
<Hermes`> however, that has changed. It is not possible (so I'm told) to be merged with your monad and remain on the planet in service.
<Hermes`> full monadic merge means you can transcend physical laws...
<Hermes`> you can teleport, and..
<Gamble> is not not or is not now? because now would make more sense
<Hermes`> yes not is now sorry
<Hermes`> I know this is a bit confusing.
<Gamble> not at all
<Gamble> at least not for me...
<Hermes`> There is a good book that defines all this stuff.
<Hermes`> A complete ascension manual...
<Hermes`> by Joshua David Stone.
<Hermes`> there are parts of the book I don't like but it is pretty  complete on the Soul and the Monad.
<Hermes`> and it is not an easy read either.
<Hermes`> but there is a lot of information in it.
<Hermes`> let me see if there is a web page..
<Hermes`>http://www.sedonajo.com/BKMKT/BOOKLIST.HTM 
<Gamble> If I see me ever forced to having to know exactly what the ascension is I will consider this book. In the meantime I'll suck information concerning this topic of the internet in.
<Hermes`> okay
<Gamble> I've also read much about that you can remain here after you've ascended...
<Hermes`> yes it sounds like a very exciting thing to do.
<Gamble> what do you think of all those 2012-2013 predictions?
<Gamble> You know which ones I mean?
<Hermes`> they are predictions and with predictions I find there is always a element of truth to them, but they rarely are 100% accurate...
<Hermes`> I would think that what they predict will be 40% truth.
<Gamble> but they all say the same core-thing
<Hermes`> yes they do, as do all the predictions of the past...
<Hermes`> to predict a future event is not the same thing as creating that event.
<Hermes`> there are always differences.
<Gamble> it's said those events are inevitable.
<Gamble> we will all ascend before 2012 and there won't be a year 2013 on this earth in this dimension or something like that.
<Hermes`> Don't get me wrong. They are wonderful predictions, but I myself think what will actually occur will be different from what is expected.
<Hermes`> To know the future is to change it.
<Gamble> hmm, those predictions don't seem like some nostradamus' predictions to me. it's said that in 2012 there is also an end of some galactic cycle. we'll see...
<Hermes`> There will be a wave of people that will ascend around that time. It will not be everyone. The amount of inner work that is required to merge with the monad is tremendous. Not everyone will opt to go the full road.
<Hermes`> I think 20% is a realistic figure.
<Gamble> which means you also think that there will be still an inhabitable earth after 2012?
<Hermes`> I think those that will ascend will be able to go to a finer dimension, those that do not will remain in the dense physical plane. Those that ascend will come back and forth and act as teachers and guides to those that have not made the leap in consciousness.
*** Log file closed: 1/12/98 5:39:57 PM
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