Hermes Workshop Log File

Raining dreams; new concepts in the group mind; energy is energy; dark matter in the universe; antimatter; E=mc^2; the brain and consciousness; time stretching; logic and emotions; protecting yourself from other's emotions;

Session Start: Thu Jun 29 17:34:26 2000
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*** Topic is 'Astral Projection, Lucid Dreams and more are yours to explore!'
<Hermes`> helllooooooo
<Hermes`> who did I miss
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<Hermes`> hi magicman
<MagicMan`> howdy everyone
<Hermes`> one point five hours to go
<MagicMan`> been trying to get a connection...webchat it is...too bad I arrived late
<Hermes`> I just got here
<Hermes`> I was detained
<MagicMan`> I'll try the IRC again...
<jsn`> hi
<jsn`> hermes
<jsn`> I made a small note today that I don't remember any dream that I would have had with storm or even raining.. wondered if anyone would have had
<Hermes`> ?
<jsn`> you know raining in the dream
<jsn`> water from somewhere
<Hermes`> you had a dream with raining
<jsn`> no
<jsn`> I don't remember any dream that I would have had..
<jsn`> ..And then I wondered if someone could remember such a dream
<Hermes`> I went out of body once in a thunder storm. It was an electrifying experience
<Hermes`> I'd have to say that moving through a lightening bolt, even in your light body, hurts like heck
<Hermes`> I would not suggest it as one of the first things you want to do in the nonphysical
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<Hermes`> hi cyprus
<Cyprus> hi
<Cyprus> talking
<Hermes`> How are you tonight Cyprus
<Hermes`> okay anyone else have any dreams about rain storms?
<MagicMan> I've never had any with rain on it...
<MagicMan> and no night ones as well...
<MagicMan> well I think at least not on the outside
<Cyprus> I have an idea
<MagicMan> I wanna do a real workshop for a change! buahhhh ;)
<Cyprus_> hey look!
<Cyprus_> its jason THE BOT!
<Cyprus_> hehehe ;)
<Cyprus_> LOL
<Hermes`> I don't see any questions coming across
<Cyprus_> well
<Cyprus_> can we start
<Hermes`> sure
<Hermes`> ask away
<Cyprus_> first
<Cyprus_> can you see this site?
<Cyprus_> http://www.execulink.com/~ilchant/Palatium/
<Cyprus_> when you can of course
<Cyprus_> I want to know your opinion about it
<Hermes`> some kind of learning system
<Cyprus_> yea
<Cyprus_> its interesting
<MagicMan> gonna check it too
<Hermes`> seems okay
<Cyprus_> what is also interesting
<Cyprus_> its that its actually the same "thing"
<MagicMan> 13 min left
<Cyprus_> it looks complicated at first
<Cyprus_> but its not
<Hermes`> it seems similar to what we talk about here
<Hermes`> very simplified
<Hermes`> which is good, I don't want to be the only one spitting out this stuff
<Hermes`> this information is floating around in the mass consciousness
<Hermes`> and some people will tune into it and then rebroadcast it
<Hermes`> So, often in any culture you will have many people saying the same thing, but in their own way.
<Cyprus_> yea, I notice that
<Cyprus_> what about what he says about the order energy, the neutral energy and the chaos energy?
<Cyprus_> is he referring to positive, balance and negative?
<Hermes`> energy is energy
<Hermes`> there is really only one kind
<Cyprus_> Akashaic, chi, aura, kirlian, kundalini , all the same thing
<Hermes`> yea it is all energy
<Hermes`> what determines whether it is good or bad is how you use it
<Cyprus_> but he talks about Universal Energy, Internal Energy, etc...
<Hermes`> well you have energy that is within you
<Hermes`> and you have energy that is not within you
<Hermes`> but that is the same energy
<Hermes`> I mean, energy is energy, it is how it is used that makes up the distinctions
<Hermes`> you can make the energy behave in a neutral or a chaotic way
<Cyprus_> hum...
<Hermes`> your consciousness can control that
<Hermes`> but again it is the use of the energy.
<Hermes`> it is not a big point
<Hermes`> but I figured I would call attention to that fact.
<Hermes`> a lightening bolt for example is energy being used by the forces of nature in very dramatic way.
<Hermes`> and when you program and energyball of love, you are using that same energy in another way
<Cyprus_> another thing
<Cyprus_> but this question gets a little out of the subject
<Cyprus_> its about "Black" Matter(!?)
<Cyprus_> scientists thought that black matter was half of the matter in the universe
<Cyprus_> now they think that's there is more black matter than matter in the universe
<Cyprus_> what do you think it is black matter?
<Cyprus_> they say its invisible
<Hermes`> scientists are looking for the glue that holds the universe together
<Hermes`> this too is a form of energy
<Hermes`> that has not yet been detected
<Cyprus_> I wonder if it has anything to do with vibrations
<Cyprus_> GOD
<Hermes`> well God is the sustaining force of the energy but it is not the dark matter itself
<Cyprus_> I meant anything do with vibrations referring to the fact it seems they are invisible
<Hermes`> the things between the universe are only invisible because man does not have the technology to see it
<Cyprus_> for me that's the primordial element
<Cyprus_> the first element
<Cyprus_> responsible for the creation and continuation of the universe
<Hermes`> well dark matter certainly plays an important role in the universe
<Cyprus_> ancient philosophers thought about various things,
<Hermes`> yes they theorized the element of Ether
<Cyprus_> I was just wandering if dark matter was some nonphysical thing
<Hermes`> the dark matter they seek is a physical property
<Hermes`> it is the glue that inhabits the spaces between objects in the universe
<Cyprus_> hum
<Cyprus_> I see
<Cyprus_> I always thought that it couldn't´t bee total vacuum
<Hermes`> nothing physical is empty
<Hermes`> there is always something there
<Cyprus_> one of them thought these element was "apriron"
<Cyprus_> which was something not physical in nature
<MagicMan> needless to say 'antimatter'
<Hermes`> 'antimatter' is also a physical energy
<Cyprus_> but how can there be more 'antimatter' than matter?
<Hermes`> the sci-fi term of 'antimatter' is not really what they talk about today in science
<Hermes`> when they say 'antimatter' they are talking about energy that has a opposite polarity of normal universe energy.
<Hermes`> gosh how confusing
<Hermes`> we're talking molecules here
<Cyprus_> yea... :)))))))))
<MagicMan> my kinda talk =)
<Hermes`> in sci-fi 'antimatter' was matters direct opposite and it was believed that every particle or person could have an antimatter double.
<MagicMan> we're talking particles accelerators here :)
<MagicMan> particle accelerators I mean
<Hermes`> yea
<Hermes`> now the 'antimatter' they seek to create in a lab or capture..
<Hermes`> is just matter with an opposite polarity...
<Hermes`> it is another form of physical energy
<Hermes`> so there does not have to be equal amounts
<Cyprus_> but its actually the same energy anyway , right? ...... :))))
<Hermes`> yea
<Hermes`> energy is energy
<Hermes`> it is how it is used that changes it
<MagicMan> 'antimatter' is not common though in the earth's surface
<Hermes`> true antimatter has to be created here
<Hermes`> it does not naturally live in the earth
<MagicMan> If I remember correctly there is 'antimatter' formation in the earth's core
<Hermes`> could be, I don't know all the specifics
<MagicMan> and its roams freely in outer space as well
<Cyprus_> can we see 'antimatter' with astral vision? :)
<Hermes`> you can see antimatter with nonphysical site
<Hermes`> and also the dark matter in the universe is visible as well
<Hermes`> but you do have to focus on seeing these things
<Cyprus_> have you seen it?
<Hermes`> yes at one time or another
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<Hermes`> it is not something I have looked at in a long time, but in the beginning it was fun to see these things
<Cyprus_> well
<Cyprus_> I have to go now
<MagicMan> see you cyp
<Hermes`> okay bye Cyprus
<Cyprus_> gonna try to have a WILD
<Cyprus_> and a OBE
<Cyprus_> and see those things
<Cyprus_> I hope
<Hermes`> just focus on one thing at a time
<Hermes`> on your trips to the nonphysical
<Hermes`> otherwise you will just get a jumble of stuff
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<MagicMan> interesting ... I'm thinking E=mc^2 doesn't work in the nonphysical
<Hermes`> well you can travel faster than light in the nonphysical
<Hermes`> so that changes things a bit.
<MagicMan> I'm thinking more in the general theory since ...Time goes slower depending on the speed
<MagicMan> although the subject doesn't realize that because it can't travel at light speed!
<Hermes`> well in the nonphysical...
<Hermes`> you can travel at any speed..
<Hermes`> as such ...Time is not a constant in the nonphysical...
<Hermes`> it is an inconstant
<MagicMan> that is what I'm thinking
<Hermes`> so that is why ...Time is simultaneous in the nonphysical
<MagicMan> that's step closer to proving that...that is, in this frame of mind/topic
<Hermes`> true
<MagicMan> but I think the formula (E=mc^2) simply does not apply because of lack of mass
<MagicMan> I mean do you have mass on the nonphysical?
<Hermes`> well that changes
<Hermes`> consciousness controls mass in the nonphysical
<MagicMan> I've heard somewhere that when a person dies there is a decrease on mass of 0.16 kg or something
<Hermes`> yes consciousness itself has a bit of weight on the physical plane
<Hermes`> but in the nonphysical it can alter its mass.
<MagicMan> just like it can alter its speed ;)
<Hermes`> exactly
<MagicMan> isn't physics great? :)
<Hermes`> in the physical plane, matter and energy have been slowed down and forced to be constricted...
<Hermes`> this causes the ...Time effect...
<Hermes`> as well as gives your consciousness a chance to find stability
<Hermes`> the nonphysical is very unstable and is a hard medium for you to observe the results of your consciousness' energy transformations
<MagicMan> hm I wouldn't say consciousness there ...I'd say brain
<Hermes`> the brain, is just the the place where consciousness can examine the physical medium in ...Time
<MagicMan> but isn't consciousness limited by the brain?
<Hermes`> the brain is like an ordering machine
<Hermes`> it orders events in a different way than consciousness would normally order them
<MagicMan> ur proving my point :)
<Hermes`> well...
<Hermes`> limits is not a word I would use
<Hermes`> focus, is a better word
<MagicMan> no, not that
<MagicMan> <Hermes`> as well as gives your consciousness a chance to find stability
<MagicMan> <Hermes`> as well as gives your brain a chance to find stability
<Hermes`> no
<MagicMan> ?
<MagicMan> why not
<Hermes`> the brain does not need stability
<Hermes`> consciousness does
<Hermes`> to perceive events in a physical manner
<MagicMan> what about the mentally unstable
<Hermes`> some of their brains are not functioning at times and as such, the more chaotic nature of consciousness is showing through
<MagicMan> consciousness taking control
<Hermes`> well consciousness without order
<Hermes`> physical order
<Hermes`> physical reality has a certain kind of order to it
<Hermes`> the brain helps consciousness to focus on this order
<Hermes`> so that you can learn while you are here
<Hermes`> when parts of the brain are damage, consciousness may not be able to focus on that order, so it reverts back to its natural state
<Hermes`> the brain helps to teach consciousness order
<Hermes`> consciousness needs to learn how to focus so that a nonphysical reality can be better controlled.
<MagicMan> I see...
<MagicMan> so would you say that loosing perception of ...Time is a slip in the brain's control? or just ...Time stretching and compressing thing we talked about one ...Time?
<Hermes`> ...Time stretching is a technique where we learn to loosen the control the brain has over our consciousness and alter ...Time and space...
<Hermes`> this is a deliberate, focused event that you are doing.
<Hermes`> in this instance you are turning off the brain's control and asserting another kind of control.
<MagicMan> not a perceived one though
<Hermes`> it does change
<Hermes`> if that is what you are asking
<Hermes`> though you do have to perceive that change
<Hermes`> for example..
<Hermes`> I need to get to a meeting in one hour and it takes one hour and ten minutes to get there...
<Hermes`> I then alter the ...Time around my body and arrive in one hour.
<Hermes`> that is because ...Time expands and contracts and your consciousness can control that
<MagicMan> I still remember...when I was younger ...Time passing every slowly ...a day seeming like a week...now its more like the opposite
<MagicMan> don't you have that feeling?
<Hermes`> yes
<Hermes`> I can make ...Time long or short at will
<Hermes`> I mold the hour to my needs
<Hermes`> not the other way around
<MagicMan> that's what is missing here
<Hermes`> this kind of control over reality only comes to you when you have learned how to focus your consciousness.
<Hermes`> then the brain becomes the tool that consciousness can step out of or into at will to alter reality.
<Hermes`> before this point, however, the brain teaches consciousness how to maintain that focus for long periods of ...Time
<Hermes`> that is why a Master can change reality at will...
<Hermes`> he can focus his thoughts so precisely on what needs to be changed and make the change.
<Hermes`> and he does that from a nonphysical perspective.
<Hermes`> which is not an easy thing to do...
<Hermes`> just try to remember how hard it was to control a dream.
<MagicMan> still is
<MagicMan> well...not so hard now
<Hermes`> it is getting easier
<Hermes`> because of the training
<MagicMan> its like molding thoughts sometimes
<Hermes`> yes
<Hermes`> you shape them and set them out on task
<Hermes`> if the thought shaped enough, it can complete its task
<MagicMan> you seem to be talking about the little angel and not about a dream :)
<Hermes`> well the bigger picture is to mold and shape a dream
<Hermes`> first you have to start with the small...
<Hermes`> which is to mold and shape individual thought energy.
<MagicMan> one thing before I leave
<MagicMan> have you read a lot, read anything about a Portuguese researcher on the brain and emotions named 'Antonio Damasio' ? He as a couple of books out and he lives in the US
<Hermes`> that does not sound familiar
<MagicMan> hm I see
<MagicMan> he was the one to say that without emotions people could not make correct choices/actions
<Hermes`> emotions are important to man, but only when he can control them
<Hermes`> when they take control of him, then all sorts of incorrect manifestations can take place
<Hermes`> the feeling part of man is a great strength
<Hermes`> it connects and binds him with All that exists
<MagicMan> well that's his opinion anyways
<Hermes`> it is true in a way
<Hermes`> part of the way to learn how to reality create in harmony with the universe, is to be able to feel some kind of connection to the universe..
<Hermes`> emotions and feelings enable that connection to take place, and as such we are able to make more correct choices as to how to wield our reality creating power.
<Hermes`> but it is a balance
<MagicMan> correct and incorrect ones
<Hermes`> too much emotions and feelings on a matter can cause you to act prematurely
<Hermes`> or incorrectly
<Hermes`> again I bring up my triangle that you must balance on the tip of.
<MagicMan> what triangle is that?
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<Hermes`> with many things there must be balance, and so you have two sides of a triangle...
<Hermes`> you stand on the point, and look to both sides...
<MagicMan> what's on the triangle btw?
<Hermes`> you must balance the energy from both sides otherwise you fall.
<Hermes`> the triangle contains two opposites
<MagicMan> ah a generic one
<Hermes`> yea
<Hermes`> logic and emotions can be one
<Hermes`> logic on one side, emotions on the other.
<Hermes`> you stand on the point
<Hermes`> when you are in balance then your reality creating will be good
<Hermes`> if you tip to one side, your reality creating will be off balance and will be not so good
<MagicMan> I'm forgetting the name of that guy that said : "The human development is walk towards equilibrium[balance]"
<Hermes`> exactly
<Hermes`> you need balance in all you do
<MagicMan> that's on a philosophy book I have
<MagicMan> so soren...enough about me...fire up some questions
<sor-> well when we are with many ppl we absorb their emotions..
<sor-> and I was wondering if there is a way to don't absorb them:)
<Hermes`> yea
<MagicMan> maybe a RCE? :)
<Hermes`> you have to learn how to build up a field of energy around you
<Hermes`> the MPE and the WLE will help to maintain your energy
<Hermes`> when you are in the presence of others and their strong emotions
<Hermes`> meditation also helps you to get rid of other people's energy as well as teach you how to maintain your own energy.
<Hermes`> when you are alone with your thoughts and quiet, like you are in meditation, you learn the difference between what is you and not you
<Hermes`> this helps you to consciously reject an energy that may come from someone else
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Session Close: Thu Jun 29 20:20:37 2000