Hermes Workshop Log File

Intuition; kabalion; good Hermetic reading; Camelot; shared OBE; dreams; sexual chakra; religion; being happy with yourself; magical names; the matrix; nonphysical bodies; reality planes; returning to the body; going off the deep end; much more in this log file than could be listed;

July 6, 2000

Session Start: Thu Jul 06 15:42:43 2000
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<Hermes`> hello
<Pe-> hey
<PE> ahh, you are probably working :)
<Hermes`> hi PE
<Hermes`> I walk away for a moment and you arrive
<PE> What's up?
<PE> okay :)
<Hermes`> not much
<Hermes`> life is good
<PE> Well, what to speak about ... I am thinking
<PE> I keep having intuitions :)
<Hermes`> that is good
<Hermes`> how often do you get them?
<PE> It depends on... every ten minutes
<PE> I am learning to make difference between ideas and intuitions
<PE> Intuitions are so silent, it is hard to hear them
<Hermes`> intuition is a small voice in the back of your mind.
<Hermes`> it is tough to hear
<Hermes`> but the more you practice them, the easier it will get
<PE> I notice it :)
<Hermes`> so are you applying these intuitions to your life, as you are having them.
<Hermes`> or at least trying too
<PE> The more I am applying them, the more I am having 'em :)
<Hermes`> yes that is good
<PE> I noticed that this summer is so boring, but I am looking up in the future :)
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<PE> Hey, Silvester
<silvrstr> hello
<silvrstr> this is weird?
<silvrstr> used to regular chat
<PE> How is the life going on in cheslo... how to write the name of your country? :)
<Hermes`> cheslo?
<Hermes`> I'm in Florida
<PE> It is written as cseszlovákia in Hungary
<PE> Yep, I asked silvester
<silvrstr> USA
<silvrstr> I'm in Florida also energyworks!
<PE> Oh, never mind... (httpd@irc.felk.cvut.cz)
<silvrstr> what part?
<Hermes`> PE, that means they came in from the webpage
<Hermes`> I'm near Ocala
<PE> Okay, Now I know :)
<PE> Let me see... where is the USA map? :)
<silvrstr> what part of Florida are you in?
<Hermes`> Ocala
<silvrstr> Oh ,I'm in St. Petersburg
<Hermes`> ah
<silvrstr> I'm used to java script this is so weird
<Hermes`> I'm about 70 miles or so north
<Hermes`> that interface is a CGI, it was all we could find that worked with the IRCnet network
<silvrstr> are you a believer of the kybalion?
<PE> What is kybalion?
<Hermes`> well parts of it for sure, are the basis of what goes on here
<silvrstr> it is a book of axioms written by hermes
<Hermes`> some of it is out of date, but for the most part it does work
<PE> Is it in digital form?
<Hermes`> you can find it on the net
<PE> Where? :)
<silvrstr> Are you aware of any groups or organizations who teach or practice it here in Florida?
<Hermes`> silvrstr, not off hand, I think I'm about the only one I know of
<Hermes`> and I really just teach it over the Internet these days
<silvrstr> lol, a shame there are not more of us
<Hermes`> when I was in NY it was more popular
<Hermes`> here in Florida, well
<Hermes`> PE, just do a search on the net
<Hermes`> search
<silvrstr> Where in NY are you from?
<PE> already doing :)
<Hermes`> Brooklyn
<Hermes`> a nice quiet town
<silvrstr> I'm a Staten Island girl, NO WAY!
<Hermes`> Staten island is a busy place too
<Hermes`> how long you down in Florida
<Hermes`> I'm here off and on since 1989
<silvrstr> 3 years
<Hermes`> yea I think I've been here steady now for 4
<Hermes`> there is a Rosicrusian order down there in St. Pete
<silvrstr> where?
<Hermes`> good question, my Uncle goes down there every Sunday for meetings, but I don't know exactly where in St. Pete it is.
<Hermes`> I myself was never one for those organized things.
<silvrstr> They are so hard to find?
<Hermes`> well I can ask him next time I see him where in St. Pete it is.
<silvrstr> Doesn't really care for religion either
<silvrstr> do you have yahoo?
<Hermes`> Yahoo, the search engine
<silvrstr> I look around in the religion chat room quite often but I have yet to find intelligent life
<Hermes`> ah
<Hermes`> well we're intelligent here, at least I hope
<PE> I hope so :)
<Hermes`> the channel and website keeps me busy so I never really get a chance to go to those chat rooms
<silvrstr> HA HA
<Hermes`> I do however have yahoo chat on the computer here
<silvrstr> This is my first time I hope so too! :)
<PE> Hermes, what do you think, isn't today Thursday?
<PE> Even Thursday :)
<Hermes`> PE, yea today is Thursday
<silvrstr> well if you ever go into the religion rooms, I'm My pineal eye
<silvrstr> yes its Thursday
<Hermes`> I'll make a note of that
<PE> oh, me silly
<PE> Today, Hermes?
<Hermes`> PE, I can't believe you don't know what day it is. You are not helping the case here that there is intelligent life on the channel.
<PE> Hermes :) I hope you were just kidding :)
<Hermes`> :)
<PE> I have vacation, man!
<Hermes`> ah
<PE> Who keeps in mind the days during vacation?
<Hermes`> that explains it, your are disoriented by the new schedule
<PE> It isn't me :)
<PE> Well, I asked the day because there isn't lots of ppl
<PE> here ...
<silvrstr> I've been looking for a teacher my entire life, I haven't found one yet. I'm starting to think that one does not exist
<Hermes`> well there is a saying..
<Hermes`> when the student is ready the teacher will arrive
<silvrstr> keeping the hope alive though
<Hermes`> you can learn a lot here
<Hermes`> we cover lots of stuff
<Hermes`> it may not have the one to one flavor, but it does work
<silvrstr> who knows, I might just be the best teacher I can find???
<silvrstr> ha ha :)
<Hermes`> well this is very true, we teach ourselves
<PE> Hermes, I don't think she can... here the thoughts only start, you have to explain them in your mind :)
<silvrstr> so what do you talk about in here?
<PE> Oobes, Aethyrs, the world
<Hermes`> reality creating, dreams
<Hermes`> tree of life
<silvrstr> Finally!
<silvrstr> although I must admit I do not yet know what oobes are?
<silvrstr> or is?
<Hermes`> Out of body event
<PE> Out of body experiences :))
<PE> Also that
<silvrstr> ohhh ok, I do know of them just never called them that
<Hermes`> we like to abbreviate here
<silvrstr> Do you know of Franz Bardon?
<PE> Not yet :)
<Hermes`> that name is not familiar
<silvrstr> His have to be the best books I've read so far as far as teaching OBEs
<silvrstr> goes even
<PE> What does he teach about?
<silvrstr> initiation into hermetics by franz bardon
<Hermes`> wow, now you think I would know about that.
<silvrstr> hermetic principles applied magic
<PE> Hermes, do you know who was Hermes Trismegistus? :)))
<silvrstr> it is an awesome teaching guide
<silvrstr> The original text is German
<Hermes`> I made of note of it
<silvrstr> how many people are here, Its hard to tell?
<silvrstr> seems like 3
<Hermes`> gambot is a computer program
<Hermes`> and Jason must be away from the computer
<Hermes`> PE, of course I know who Hermes Trismegistus is.
<silvrstr> the finding of the third eye by vera Stanley alder is also an awesome book of wisdom
<Hermes`> these don't sound like regular book store books
<PE> Hermes, it was just a joke :)
<Hermes`> PE, oh good :)
<silvrstr> I can give you ISBN#'s if you like?
<Hermes`> sure
<silvrstr> you can probably order them if they're in print
<Hermes`> next time I'm hunting for a book
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<Hermes`> hi magicman
<PE> Hi MM
<silvrstr> the third eye book is- ISBN#-0-87728-056-8
<MagicMan> well meet everyone
<Hermes`> got it thanks
<silvrstr> and the franz bardon book isISBN#-3-921338-01-8
<silvrstr> they are really a must if you have a library
<silvrstr> hello magic man
<PE> MagicMan: have you been to moon? :)
<Hermes`> great, I'll look for them
<silvrstr> I purchased them in a book store called mystic goddess if that helps?
<Hermes`> is that in saint Pete's
<MagicMan> PE, not yet
<MagicMan> maybe today :)
<silvrstr> So tell me of your knowledge if you're so inclined to share?
<silvrstr> no its in Clearwater on 66th street
<PE> Neither me, Magic:)
<Hermes`> I get down there sometimes, that is why I asked
<MagicMan> u talking about the moon, hermes?
<silvrstr> its a peaceful place very nice they have readings and classes as well
<MagicMan> guess not
<Hermes`> no magick this is a physical place. Saint Petersburg Florida
<silvrstr> lol
<Hermes`> not all the places I go are nonphysical
<MagicMan> I know...I was just off-topic
<Hermes`> :)
<silvrstr> I was reading up on the Enochian teachings and I found (much to my horror) that all of the original sigils and texts are kept in the British museum owned by the royal family can you believe that?
<Hermes`> really
<Hermes`> I actually did not know there were around anywhere
<silvrstr> I wish I could get my eyes across those pages
<Hermes`> there is a false premise around that stuff that it can be grossly misused, which I suppose is why they guard it so much.
<silvrstr> all of the seals all of the sigils and the entire works of john dee and edward kelley are locked up in the museum?
<Hermes`> well that would be nice reading
<silvrstr> I suppose that is why the queen is so powerful?
<Hermes`> ah, I never did think of that
<Hermes`> a bit of magic
<silvrstr> I don't even want to use anything like that, Id love to study it though
<Hermes`> the few books I have read on Enochian physics were interesting
<silvrstr> just curious are you male or female?
<Hermes`> I'm male
<silvrstr> hermes
<silvrstr> Is a woman
<Hermes`> pureheart is female, she comes quite often
<PE> and you, silvrstr, are you male or female if I am not indiscreet or how to write :)
<silvrstr> I never come across any other females into this stuff??
<Hermes`> we have had a few come here at various times
<silvrstr> that's nice to know
<Hermes`> more females would be welcome
<silvrstr> I don't suppose they call it the white "brotherhood" for no reason???
<Hermes`> ahaha
<silvrstr> lol :)
<PE> ehh :))
<Hermes`> it can be such a male thing
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<Hermes`> however
<GargowL> Merry Meet
<PE> Hi, Garg
<MagicMan> well meet gargowl ;)
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<Hermes`> I find that females do make better learners of this stuff
<Cyprus> YES!
<Cyprus> got in!
<Cyprus> silvrstr?
<MagicMan> well meet as well cyp
<Cyprus> tiamat?
<PE> Hi, Cyprus
<Cyprus> hi all!
<MagicMan> u sure get right to the point
<silvrstr> I'm very male minded, I'm an Aries,I suppose that's why
<Cyprus> guess not
<silvrstr> mm cypres
<silvrstr> prUs excuse me
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<PE> heey, how many ppl :)
<Hermes`> yikes full house
<MagicMan> flocks of ppl
<silvrstr> silver star, shortened
<MagicMan> well meet Iwonder
<silvrstr> hello all
<Cyprus> ola iWonder
<Hermes`> we have a new face today, silver star
<MagicMan> 'ola'?
<PE> oh, I though Silvester :)
<silvrstr> :) bows to the room
<MagicMan> me 2 :P
<silvrstr> couldn't fit it in
<MagicMan> returns the gesture
<Cyprus> well
<MagicMan> iwonder, u Portuguese?
<Cyprus> can we continue from yesterday?
<Hermes`> what were we talking about yesterday
<Cyprus> yea, he is
<Cyprus> Atlantis
<MagicMan> Portuguese power in here
<silvrstr> me?
<MagicMan> boycount=4
<MagicMan> boy=body
<Cyprus> then when I left you started talking about Shared OBEs
<Cyprus> according to gargowl
<Hermes`> oh yes
<MagicMan> got interested in Camelot eh?
<Hermes`> okay which one and what is the question
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<silvrstr> I have a friend who contacts me now and again, We don't speak much anymore after 20 years of friendship and he walks the night in my dreams quite often
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<Hermes`> yes, we all interact with each other in dreams
<silvrstr> I however cannot do it, I've tried
<Hermes`> well it does take time to develop the energy and focus needed
<silvrstr> I call it dreams ()laughs) I mean OBE's
<MagicMan> so he 'walks the night in your' OBE's?
<silvrstr> I suppose its just easier for me to handle calling it dreams, Its actually a disturbing experience, He is a powerful magicain and he often comes in the form of a scorpion
<Hermes`> that be a bit unsettling to say the least.
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<silvrstr> he is a bit disturbed, I think he was fooled by a familiar somewhere along the way and it has taken a bit of his sanity away
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<MagicMan> got booted
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<Cyprus> back
<MagicMan> u too?
<silvrstr> wow you can get booted in here?
<Cyprus> did everybody quited by ping timeout?
<Hermes`> yes sometimes if you are not careful you can step over the edge a bit with this stuff.
<MagicMan> hope I didn't miss anything
<Cyprus> what did you say next I quited?
<silvrstr> nothing important just me rambling
<PE> [23:14] <silvrstr> he is a bit disturbed, I think he was fooled by a familiar somewhere along the way and it has taken a bit of his sanity away
<silvrstr> :)
<Hermes`> well, I suppose it is good you don't have any direct contact with him for now
<Hermes`> until he regains some of his composure
<Hermes`> but you can learn to walk in dreams as well.
<MagicMan> what did this guy do ?
<MagicMan> that guy rather
<silvrstr> Its sad that I don't, I do miss him but he is draining, He used to be so powerful and knowledgeable its a shame, but I cant help him?
<silvrstr> He is one of those people in this world who was born to a lot of knowledge that he did not take proper responsibility for, His ego kinda ate him in a sense and he is quite lost in a fantasy world
<Hermes`> I've seen that happen
<Hermes`> I had an associate of mine...
<Hermes`> he went off the deep end with it in a way,
<Hermes`> got lost in which reality was which
<silvrstr> He was my teacher for many years but I pause in saying teacher because it was often wrought with pain and confusion, but I am better in my own senses for having shared sucha big part of my life with him
<silvrstr> we were catalyst for one another in many ways
<Hermes`> the male and female energy
<Hermes`> you helped to complete him and he you
<silvrstr> Its strange you say that one of his big downfalls was a homosexual relationship
<silvrstr> he lost all of his power to a lust of the ego
<silvrstr> like a gay Solomon
<Hermes`> absolutely the abuse of the sexual chakra will take away all your power.
<silvrstr> he had enough male and female energy in his little finger to please the strongest of the angels
<silvrstr> but now nothing but perversity and coveoutness
<Hermes`> that is too bad.
<silvrstr> very sad
<silvrstr> I do miss him
<silvrstr> the way he used to be
<silvrstr> but I suppose we all evolve in our own way and in our own time?
<Hermes`> yes, he has to go the way he wants to, and you yours
<MagicMan> I think we've hooked another one for the workshops :)
<Hermes`> yes the more the better
<Hermes`> so silverstar, now it is time to work on you and yourself.
<silvrstr> I do enjoy everyone's company here, it has a peaceful energy surrounding it, not like the religion room, THAT place is DISTURBING to say the least
<Hermes`> you can be the teacher of yourself. It sounds like you are ready for that.
<silvrstr> The only thing I've found searching in there is the sad realization that there are not as many of us as I had hoped
<Hermes`> no, there is not. The good part however is that the few that there are, can be connected via the Internet
<silvrstr> people are just not ready to give up organized religion and those who are are atheists and agnostics
<silvrstr> I agree
<silvrstr> to me , that is the saddest thing, those who are so wounded by religion that they close themselves off from the "I am" totally so as not to experience Him at all
<Hermes`> religion can enlighten a person only to a certain point. After that, the soul has to break out of that mold to expand further.
<silvrstr> hello?
<silvrstr> oh ok
<Hermes`> sadly, as you are aware of, religion has become a prison for many of these people
<silvrstr> I've been through them all, and all I've found in that search is that they all lead to the same place and you can only go so far within any of them
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<silvrstr> are we the only ones left in here?
<Hermes`> the others are listening
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<silvrstr> to us?
<Hermes`> yea
<silvrstr> I don't really know how this works?
<Hermes`> well it is a group chat so anyone on the channel can read what is going on
<PE> I am listening :))
<GargowL> buisy=busy
<silvrstr> oh ok
<Cyprus> I am just reading because its not my business
<Cyprus> waiting for you to finish to make a question
<Cyprus> just don´t have worry
<silvrstr> all input welcome!
<silvrstr> I'm sorry go ahead,(I have a tendency to talk too much!)
<GargowL> we all do in here :)
<GargowL> except for gambot :P
<Hermes`> yea gambot does not say much
<Cyprus> can we?
<Hermes`> but the rest of us make up for it
<Cyprus> me & magizman?
<Cyprus> I mean magicman
<silvrstr> lol :)
<silvrstr> So how did all of you come to the knowledge?
<silvrstr> if you don't mind me asking??????
<GargowL> well, cyprus told me about this place :)
<Cyprus> mine is a long story
<PE> We have time :)
<silvrstr> listening?
<Cyprus> lets just say that I always liked occult
<MagicMan> I sense you'll be a very good addition to the workshops, silverstar
<Cyprus> I have to go in 10 minutes
<MagicMan> same here
<Cyprus> hermes can I ask something?
<GargowL> actually, if it wasn't of Cyprus, I don't think I would be interested in the "paranormal"
<MagicMan> about the 'liked the occult' thing
<silvrstr> bows to the magicman, THANK YE~
<Hermes`> go ahead Cyprus, I'll answer in-between the others
<Cyprus> its about the SOBE with me and Magicman
<silvrstr> what and where are these "workshops??
<MagicMan> silver, nothing like that person in the room to liven things up eheh
<Cyprus> how do I get to Camelot?
<MagicMan> they're here
<MagicMan> and they're this
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<silvrstr> sobe?
<MagicMan> just think you there, cyp
<silvrstr> OHHH , well I like it already!
<silvrstr> and I hope you all will be an addition to my learning and my evolution as well
<Hermes`> Cyprus: Camelot is a place on the Etheric plane, that was set up by a group of us for out of body travelers to meet. You need to focus your thoughts on going there in a dream or an OBE. You may not get there first shot, but with persistence you will make it.
<silvrstr> what do you mean by Camelot?
<Cyprus> so, I should think hard " I want to go to Camelot" ?
<silvrstr> oh ok
<Hermes`> Camelot was a project that I was involved in for about 2 years. It is hoped that this nonphysical place can serve as a meeting ground for humans and the ascended masters to meet and learn and grow.
<Hermes`> it will play a more important role in 50 years or so from now, but that does not mean it can't be used now, by those that want to reach it.
<silvrstr> Is it a place by the towers hermes? in that type of either?
<MagicMan> 50 years eh...maybe we'll still be around
<Hermes`> you mean the towers of light and dark?
<Hermes`> or the Nonphysical Aethyrs
<MagicMan> Malkuth?
<Hermes`> it is in Malkuth
<silvrstr> yes
<silvrstr> that type of place?
<Hermes`> it is very physical like
<Cyprus> well, I have to go now
<Cyprus> Love & Light!
<Hermes`> it actually would occupy TEX and RII
<silvrstr> very well, may I come?
<MagicMan> I didn't know Camelot was in malkuth...good
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<MagicMan> see you cyp
<Hermes`> as well as Malkuth, if you can equate it as being someplace
<silvrstr> mp cyp!
<Hermes`> it was located near the earth plane to make it easier to reach
<Hermes`> it would be interesting if others could go there
<Hermes`> which I'm sure they can.
<silvrstr> do I need a special invitation to join you hermes, Or may I enter as well?
<Hermes`> so My suggestion was that Magicman try to go there, (instead of the moon) on his out of body travel adventures
<Hermes`> you mean join here
<Hermes`> just come by
<Hermes`> Camelot you can just go there, it is open to everyone that can get there.
<silvrstr> I would go more often I f I had (back UP) so to speak, It can be quite ...........well interesting there
<silvrstr> if the distance between here and java disturbs me imagine me alone in the Aethyrs!
<Hermes`> ahaha
<Hermes`> well it is closer than you think
<Hermes`> but you can take it one step at a time
<Hermes`> start with your dreams
<silvrstr> any mental maps?
<silvrstr> focal points, landmarks so to speak???
<Hermes`> well to get from place to plane nonphysically, you just think about where you want to go and then you just arrive (well mostly)
<Hermes`> sometimes you miss the mark
<Hermes`> but you get it on target in a few attempts
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<MagickMan> sorry everyone, lag attack
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<Hermes`> for example...
<MagickMan> missed anything btw?
<Hermes`> say you want to visit your friend in a dream or an OBE...
<silvrstr> I usually take my own routes to such places, I'm kind of non conventional so you might not understand what I'm saying by landmarks?? I mean a mantra or a meditation force to follow on the way to the mental state I need to be in to achieve the frequency?
<Hermes`> I would usually think about this person or say their name over and over while I went to sleep or while I was doing my OBE. induction.
<Hermes`> ah I see
<Hermes`> there is a key for Camelot
<Hermes`> unfortunately I have to dig for it
<Hermes`> it is a number you say over and over again
<Hermes`> I never found it useful because focusing on it was enough to get me there.
<Hermes`> focusing on Camelot (I mean)
<Hermes`> I can have that info next time
<silvrstr> what is your vibratory key? musically?
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<MagickMan> damned webchat :)
<Hermes`> it can be a pain
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<Hermes`> but it is a last resort
<Hermes`> magicman are you ready for tonight
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<MagicMan> getting tiered of this game
<Hermes`> magicman are you ready for tonight?
<MagicMan> everyone went off too?
<Hermes`> net split
<GargowL> cursed be that peer guy who is always resetting our connection :)
<Hermes`> hehe
<Hermes`> I think the web access script does not like the fast refresh time
<Hermes`> if you keep it around 10 or 15 seconds it won't reset you
<Hermes`> so magicman?
<Hermes`> are you ready for tonight's attempt, or should I say, tonight's lift off
<Hermes`> hello
<Hermes`> anyone there?
<GargowL> I'm here
<Hermes`> that's good
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<Hermes`> hi there everyone
<MagicMan> yea, d day
<PE> Welcome back :)))
<PE> ehh, I guess from your view, I was who left :)
<Hermes`> so where are the questions
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<PE> Hermes :)
<PE> I am thinking on questions :)
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<PE> Tiz sad ... there isn't any
<PE> Do you have any kind of holiday, or is your full life a big holiday?
<PE> :)
<Hermes`> my life is one big fun
<Hermes`> I enjoy every moment of it,
<Hermes`> now of course it was not always like that
<PE> Mine is also going to become that :)
<Hermes`> I had to schlep through the garbage along the way
<PE> I am doing that nowadays
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* iWonder why is life not a party time ?
<Hermes`> it should be
<Hermes`> but it does take time to get there
<PE> thinking on a word ...
<Hermes`> basically you have to be happy with yourself
<Hermes`> then everything else falls into place
<Hermes`> this is not an easy thing at times
<Hermes`> but you can achieve it
<iWonder> life reminds me one of those carton puzzles I used to to try to put together when I was a child
* iWonder if I have grown up at all
<iWonder> see, one good thing about this nick ?
<Hermes`> hehe
<Hermes`> it is a puzzle
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<MagicMan> (argh)
<MagicMan> what did I miss?
<Hermes`> you missed the secret of life
<Hermes`> now you will never know
<GargowL> lolol
<GargowL> I'll tell ya: be happy with yourself :)
<Hermes`> it starts with finding one thing about yourself that you like
<PE> Hermes: another question: why am I so sleepy? :)
<Hermes`> it is late there
<PE> oh, my clock shows only 22:30
<GargowL> where are you from???
<PE> My computer is going wrong .... it was sleeping ... so deeply :)
<GargowL> it's also 22:30 here
<PE> I am from Hungary, so the time is about 0:30
<MagicMan> ur clock is late
<MagicMan> it should be 0:35
<GargowL> well, my watch is 22:36, my computer clock is 22:34
<PE> MagicMAn: thanks, I have set my watch ...
<MagicMan> Atlantis' time is different from everybody else's ehehe
<PE> Have there been time?
<GargowL> :)
<PE> Even has :)
<Hermes`> its 15:00 here
<PE> I envy you, Hermes :)
<iWonder> 15:00 ?
<iWonder> wow
<iWonder> 23:40
<PE> I am wondering, what could your real name be, Hermes :)
<PE> I guess, I had better say bye and go to sleep :)
<iWonder> I am wondering what my real name is, PE
<PE> so you are wondering :)
<MagicMan> I'm guessing his name is Tom Deliso but I could be wrong
<iWonder> Hermes I've heard our real name is a combination of sounds we are not aware of
<iWonder> ahah PE
<Hermes`> yea that is my alter ego
<Hermes`> you mean your magical name?
<Hermes`> or your earthly name
<PE> OR Both? :o)
<iWonder> magical ?
<iWonder> read something about it
<PE> As I know, it isn't good if someone tells his magical name
<Hermes`> your magical name is the name of your entire self. It is the name you go by when you are not physical and in between lives
<PE> How could I know mine?
<Hermes`> well you can learn it in dreams or in an OBE.
<PE> I should try it
<PE> I guess I will try it in 5 minutes :))
<MagicMan> I suppose you know yours, hermes?
<Hermes`> your magical name does change
<Hermes`> it changes as you grow
<Hermes`> yes I know mine
<Hermes`> Hermes is one of them
<PE> What is thaaaaaat?? :)))
<MagicMan> you was going to ask if it was that
<Hermes`> but it is not my personal one
<MagicMan> your personal one is on the webpage
<Hermes`> no
<Hermes`> that is my physical one
<Hermes`> I have another magical name
<MagicMan> huh
<Hermes`> it is the name of my core being and self
<MagicMan> you lost me there
<PE> And is it allowed to tell your magical name?
<MagicMan> persona, physical, true name?
<MagicMan> true=magical
<Hermes`> it should be kept secret
<PE> Why?
<PE> The first most stupid question :)
<Hermes`> well it is the core you.
<PE> What happens if I tell it someone
<PE> ?
<Hermes`> they can get access to areas of yourself that you may not want them to access
<MagicMan> I suppose that can be used against you
<MagicMan> righy
<MagicMan> right
<iWonder> would u tell ur IP address to a hacker, Magic ?
<MagicMan> not if I was unprotected ;)
<Hermes`> well then
<iWonder> :)
<Hermes`> think of my hermes name as my fire wall
<PE> Hermes, what could they do with me?
<Hermes`> and my core self name as the secret IP behind the firewall
<Hermes`> very good analogy iwonder
<PE> wow... Internet protocol analogy
<PE> :)))))
<iWonder> once a computer, always a computer
<iWonder> no need to thanks Hermes
<MagicMan> right on the money iwonder
<iWonder> I do wonder to :)
<PE> :)
<Hermes`> hehe
<iWonder> see, this is what I call anick
<Hermes`> so now you all have an assignment, to program dreams to find your magical name
<PE> aaaaand
<PE> to talk with magicman on the moon
<MagicMan> I have already on big one to finish
<PE> not talk with - meet :)
<iWonder> give us a clue Hermes
<Hermes`> a clue to what?
<Hermes`> how to get your magical name?
<PE> Ask for it
<Hermes`> as you fall asleep, say over and over, "reveal to me in a dream my magical name"
<Hermes`> make that you last thought
<iWonder> hmm, some common combinations would be helpful
<Hermes`> then when you wake up, scan your mind for any dreams that may have that information
<iWonder> got it
<PE> Going to sleep :)
<PE> It was nice to see you :)
<PE> Take care!
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<jsn`> hermes
<Hermes`> hi jason
<jsn`> what is the use of magical name if no one can hear or know it ?
<jsn`> except you
<jsn`> or anyone who knows it
<Hermes`> well you can give it to people you trust so that they can establish a direct energy link to you
<iWonder> like DCC ?
<Hermes`> yea
<Hermes`> like DCC
<jsn`> iwonder cmon =)
<Hermes`> with it they have access to your emotions, feelings,and your energy
<Hermes`> for example, let's say I have a fear of marshmallow men...
<Hermes`> if you come in from my firewall name, you will not learn that fact
<Hermes`> that information is shielded
<Hermes`> but if you come in from my direct name, you may find this out.
<Hermes`> this could be good or bad
<iWonder> could it be a vibration unique to each one of us, sort of ur universal id ?
<Hermes`> yes
<Hermes`> the name vibrates at the same frequency as the person
<Hermes`> if I had your magical name for example...
<Hermes`> I could say it over and over and then tune into whatever you were doing at any time
<Hermes`> this could be an intrusion
<Hermes`> especially if I do not have the proper clearance to do this
<iWonder> then we may assume our magical name is not easy to pronounce
<Hermes`> its easy
<Hermes`> or it can be hard
<Hermes`> it is a combination of sounds that most mirror your vibration
<Hermes`> it could be harry, or sam or thelastdaysofthecoldwar
<GargowL> lol
<Hermes`> the more pleasant sounding the name
<Hermes`> the more in harmony your current core energy is.
<Hermes`> but this is not always the case, just a general rule
<GargowL> and as in the Matrix, some of these rules can be broken, others can be bent....
<GargowL> :)
<Hermes`> yea
<iWonder> funny film, Matrix
<GargowL> actually, I think the matrix applies to reality
<Hermes`> there are lots of lessons in that movie
<iWonder> I thought the same
<GargowL> we live in a matrix, but our society doesn't know we can make it the way we want it to be, that we can CONTROl it!
<GargowL> :))
<Hermes`> I liked it so much I have the dvd here
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<GargowL> I loved the movie, I just can't wait for the sequels
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<iWonder> I hope there will be sequels
<Hermes`> the more you realize that you can shape physical reality with your thoughts the more you become like the character at the end of the movie
<iWonder> that movie kept me "awake" for months
<Hermes`> of course with this belief you must also know how to use it wisely
<GargowL> there will be sequels...
<MagicMan> "I am the one" -Neo
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<GargowL> I think the Matrix II is being filmed (hope that's the right word)
<Cyprus> hi
<Cyprus> I'm back
<MagicMan> wb Cyprus
<Cyprus> hey
<Cyprus> your still here
<MagicMan> gargowl, It halfway done
<Cyprus> :)
<MagicMan> it=its
<GargowL> cool :)
<GargowL> another great trilogy coming up is The lord of the rings
<GargowL> one movie for each book :)))
<GargowL> I loved the books, I can't wait to see the movie
<iWonder> hi Cyprus
<Cyprus> well
<Cyprus> can I continue that Camelot stuff?
<Cyprus> :)
<MagicMan> hmm gargowl, what's 'the lord of the rings'?
<iWonder> sure as long as u talk a bit of Merlin :)
<MagicMan> I've heard the name but I don't know what it is about
<GargowL> it's a story with goblins, elfs, trolls, orcs, dwarves, dragons, etc :)
<GargowL> it's the best story from Tolkien, the "father" of the universes where these creatures inhabit :)
<GargowL> all the games with such creatures are based in the universe he created, or in a story/game based on it :)
<MagicMan> and there are books on this?
<Hermes`> phone hold
<iWonder> lord of the rings, is it the title ?
<GargowL> yup
<GargowL> actually it's 3 books
<GargowL> The brotherhood of the ring, the 2 towers and the return of the king
<GargowL> and the movies will be of the same names
<MagicMan> any online edition outthere?
<GargowL> don't think so
<MagicMan> do they sell those in Portugal?
<Cyprus> yea
<Cyprus> gargowl is also Portuguese
<iWonder> hi, Gargowl fellow citizen
<GargowL> yeah, I've seen the books at sale here in this island (and you know how the Azores don't get many books compared to the mainland :)
<GargowL> iWonder: you also Portuguese???
<iWonder> know what u mean, I live in Madeira
<iWonder> yah, Portuguese, are we a plague or what :)
<MagicMan> I know ur the dude for the #paranormal, right?
<iWonder> once in a while I step in, MagicMan
<GargowL> seems we are a plague in this # :)
<iWonder> lol
<MagicMan> Iwonder, its me wiz
<Cyprus> MagicMan, I thought you knew IWonder personally
<MagicMan> nop
* Cyprus Hermes: when you´re back please tell
<MagicMan> just met him a couple of days ago
<MagicMan> (online)
<iWonder> nop, we used to play chess on IRC, right ?
<MagicMan> I dunno
<iWonder> I was h0rUs then
<MagicMan> ah
<MagicMan> yes
<MagicMan> =)
<MagicMan> nice to know if not all Azores
<MagicMan> if=its
<iWonder> u're Madeira, right wiz ?
<MagicMan> yep
<MagicMan> island power eehheh
<GargowL> :)
<iWonder> island something ehehe
<GargowL> how come I'm the only Portuguese here in #Portugal?
<iWonder> or Atlantic something
<GargowL> :P
<iWonder> knaive ?
<iWonder> ehehe
* Cyprus 2 Hermes: when you´re back please tell
<MagicMan> well this is an interesting twist, I don't know you personally but I could in the future (or in the past :))
<iWonder> do any of you know combinations of sounds to help find out our real (magic name) ?
<iWonder> heard of a system but I'm blank on this subject
<Cyprus> hum
<Cyprus> that's interesting
<Cyprus> I wonder also
<Cyprus> what's my real name
<iWonder> guess it has to be unique, like ur fingerprints
<Cyprus> maybe hermes can ask that
<iWonder> dunno if this is right
<GargowL> my must be: ForeverLoveDune
<GargowL> :P
<Cyprus> he´s probably in the phone still
<MagicMan> wacko
<Cyprus> since phone calls are cheap in the U.S. ....
<MagicMan> not cheap
<GargowL> Cyprus: you have to find your own, look for the workshop file tomorrow :)
<MagicMan> local phone calls are free
<iWonder> free ?
<iWonder> so are ours
<MagicMan> huh?
<iWonder> we are free to do local phone calls :p
<MagicMan> ah yes :)
<Cyprus> LOL
<GargowL> lolo
<Cyprus> I wish phone calls here were free of charge
<Cyprus> you would see "Cyprus is idle : 14 hours "went to the Bitch. I meant Beach"
<Cyprus> :)
<iWonder> rotfl
<GargowL> lololol
<Hermes`> hi there
<Hermes`> I'm back
<iWonder> who said if u mix a bitch with bleach u get nice hot beach ?
<iWonder> howdy
<Cyprus> lol
<Hermes`> interesting
<iWonder> I wasn't here :)
<MagicMan> yea you didn't say anything ehehe
<iWonder> yea, simply quoted I can't remember who
<Cyprus> lol
<Cyprus> well
<Cyprus> about that Camelot thing
<Cyprus> can we also go there directly from a dream?
<Cyprus> dream
<Hermes`> yes
<Hermes`> it is a dream place of sorts
<Hermes`> because it comes from the imagination of humanity
<Hermes`> which is why it was so easy to construct
<Cyprus> and will it be as real has if I went from a normal OBE.?
<Hermes`> well from a dream it will feel dream like
<Hermes`> in an OBE. it will feel OBE. like
<Cyprus> ok
<Cyprus> I prefer the OBE. like
<Cyprus> as long as I am not in the Etheric body
<Hermes`> well you need to be to be in Camelot
<Hermes`> as it is on the Etheric plane
<Hermes`> it is very physical like
<Cyprus> ?
<Cyprus> but I have been in the Etheric plane with the astral body
<Hermes`> on the astral plane you are in your astral body
<Hermes`> but Camelot is located in Malkuth which is in the Etheric plane
<iWonder> so, Camelot is for real
<Hermes`> yea it is a real nonphysical place
<Hermes`> it is meant to be a place where you can project to or reach in a dream state real easy
<iWonder> the concept is still alive in Malkuth ?
<Cyprus> hum
<Cyprus> I'm confuse
<Cyprus> first
<Cyprus> isn´t the astral plane were we go in dreams?
<Hermes`> it is one of the places you can go
<Hermes`> there are several reality planes
<Hermes`> going from the earth you have the Etheric plane, then the astral plane, then the mental plane, then the buddhic plane
<Hermes`> when you dream you can be in any one of these
<Cyprus> :|
<Cyprus> in my first OBE.
<Cyprus> I was in my room
<Cyprus> I was in a body that you call "mach2/mach3"
<Hermes`> you were most likely on the Etheric plane
* GargowL is: reading the chat, downloading a game, playing solitaire and singing Dune songs (I'm alone at home:))
<Hermes`> on the Etheric plane you can be in either your first nonphysical body or your second
<GargowL> wait... I never heard of the buddhic plane..
<Hermes`> Buddhic plane is the upper mental plane
<Hermes`> Atmic plane is the Spiritual plane
<Hermes`> I think I have that order right
<Cyprus> ha
<Hermes`> you have to check the Aethyr page
<Cyprus> that's what I thought
<Cyprus> what confuses me is that:
<Cyprus> some powers you say that are from the mach3 , I had in the mach2
<Cyprus> like mind-sensing
<Cyprus> with my eyes closed I can see the "outlines" of objects
<Cyprus> also another one
<Cyprus> that I know now the name
<Cyprus> Empathy
<Hermes`> well keep in mind that there are no clear point where one body ends and another begins
<Cyprus> yea
<Cyprus> but can I go to Camelot with the my 2º body?
<Hermes`> yes,
<Hermes`> but you may not at first
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<silvrstr> hello all, I got booted and since I stumbled across your site an accident it took me all this time to get back!
<Cyprus> what do you mean?
<Cyprus> you see, I really don´t like the Etheric body
<silvrstr> hello?
<Cyprus> hi silver start
<Cyprus> star
<silvrstr> is anyone here?
<silvrstr> hi :)
<Hermes`> hi silver star
<silvrstr> I was afraid I was lost forever?
<MagicMan> wb
<Cyprus> hermes: what do you mean?
<Hermes`> well Cyprus
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<MagicMan> netsplit...
<GargowL> another netsplit... it almost seems like PTnet
<MagicMan> first one I didn't drop as well :P
<GargowL> :P
<Hermes`> I see that
<GargowL> what servers are you using? I'm on irc.webbernet.net
<MagicMan> me 2
<Hermes`> that one
<Hermes`> yea
<Hermes`> everyone else is on a European one
<MagicMan> I was on stealth before
<GargowL> I was on stealth about 6 months ago, but it started to refuse my connection
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<Hermes`> okay we are all here again
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<Hermes`> what was the last question
<keboard> netsplit
<Hermes`> hy keyboard
<keboard> ?
<MagicMan> its Cyprus
<Hermes`> ah
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<Hermes`> I should of known from the neo IP
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<Cyprus_> [00:12] <Cyprus> hermes: what do you mean?
<Cyprus_> [00:13] <Hermes`> well Cyprus
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<Cyprus_> what did you say next?
<Hermes`> okay we were talking about the Etheric body or the first nonphysical body
<Hermes`> this body is very physical like.
<GargowL> we just talked about servers :)
<Hermes`> so if you are looking for a nonphysical adventure that feels very physical than this is the body you get
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<Cyprus_> adventure?
<Cyprus_> I prefer the physical body to that body...
<Hermes`> experience
<Hermes`> I like to call dreams and OBE's adventures
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<Hermes`> because they are
<Cyprus_> its so heavy...
<Hermes`> they are fun, and you learn a great deal about them
<Cyprus_> yes they are
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<Cyprus_> but for me the Etheric body is a nightmare
<Cyprus_> specially when my vision is bad
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<Hermes`> that is because you have not focused on where you are
<Cyprus_> hum...
<Hermes`> when that happens take some deep breaths, this will pull more energy from your body...
<Cyprus_> interesting
<Cyprus_> I am recording how the Etheric body feels like
<Hermes`> and it will fire up your nonphysical eyes and ears and stuff
<Cyprus_> very physical indeed
<Cyprus_> what about flying?
<Cyprus_> I can´t in the Etheric
<Hermes`> no that body is too heavy
<Cyprus_> float sometimes
<Hermes`> you can float
<Hermes`> but keep in mind...
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<Cyprus_> but my movements are slow
<Hermes`> when you go to Camelot say, you won't be needing to speed around the room
<Cyprus_> energy problems also?
<Hermes`> In Camelot you will be interacting in a physical like manner with the inhabitants
<Hermes`> if you find you are moving real slow
<Hermes`> that is energy as well
<Hermes`> you did not take enough with you
<Cyprus_> ok
<Cyprus_> so should I do a WLE?
<Hermes`> you can
<Hermes`> but what works for me during an OBE. when I need more energy
<GargowL> question: can we do an MPE nonphysically?
<Hermes`> is to stop, take some deep breaths and the energy comes into you.
<Hermes`> you can but strange things will happen
<Hermes`> you will light up like a fire
<Hermes`> and probably eject yourself right out of the reality plane you are in
<Cyprus_> hum
<Hermes`> so during an OBE. it is best to just take some deep breaths
<Cyprus_> why?
<Hermes`> the MPE calls in energy and then you will lose your focus of where you are...
<Cyprus_> hey
<Hermes`> so then you wind up going someplace else
<Cyprus_> lets say I am in the low astral
<Cyprus_> that can be useful
<Cyprus_> another thing
<Cyprus_> lets say I meet magicman there
<Cyprus_> after
<Cyprus_> how can I awake up RIGHT AWAY
<Cyprus_> so I can be sure I don´t forget I thing
<Hermes`> well it takes will power to stay out of the body. Lose the will and you are back
<Hermes`> it is like a tug of war game
<Hermes`> you must keep the rope tight or you will be pulled back
<Cyprus_> hum
<Cyprus_> can I wish I go back to body?
<Hermes`> you can but it is not nesessary
<Hermes`> you just let go
<Hermes`> and back you are
<Cyprus_> but I remember that in my OBE. all I wanted was to get back
<Cyprus_> my first OBE.
<Hermes`> yea but did you let go
<Cyprus_> and I had some problems trying to get back
<Hermes`> that is usual really
<GargowL> well, my parents are home, so if I disconnected, it means my father pulled the plug because it'd too late :)
<Cyprus_> lol
<Hermes`> if you can't get back and you want to, all you have to do is force yourself to move one of your physical limbs on your body
<Hermes`> it will pull you back
<Cyprus_> hum... its very hard to move the physical body
<Hermes`> true it is not easy
<Cyprus_> in my first OBE. I even opened my physical eyes
<Cyprus_> and was still obings
<Cyprus_> OBing
<Hermes`> you can try a MPE next time that happens
<Hermes`> it will at the least change where you are
<Hermes`> and perhaps it will be easier to get back from the new location
<Cyprus_> also with LOTS of effort I moved my physical harm, and just a few millimeters
<Hermes`> it takes effort to move a limb once you are out of the body
<Cyprus_> also
<Hermes`> but it is the fail-safe of returns
<Cyprus_> I sometimes have (had, never had a single OBE. in the newhouse), OBE's (in mach1) at about 5/6 morning
<Cyprus_> they are cause koz i get up at the middle of night, stay awake and get back to sleep
<Cyprus_> I usually have wilds and OBE's
<Cyprus_> and usually I can´t move in that OBE's
<Cyprus_> or its hard to move
<Cyprus_> my vision is also usually bad
<Cyprus_> or its hard to open the eyes
<Hermes`> this can happen. It is a matter of energy and focus
<Hermes`> you have to focus on where you are in the OBE. to bring the senses on line
<Cyprus_> sometimes everything (with my eyes closed) is white, and I have a type of mind-sensing( not so strong as the mach2/mach3 one)
<Hermes`> also
<Hermes`> keep in mind that some OBE's will be in your third body
<Hermes`> in this body the usual physical sense do not work
<Hermes`> It is a travel body and when you are in It you are supposed to be traveling
<Hermes`> so just lift yourself off the ground and kind of spread yourself into the wind
<Hermes`> and then you will start to move slowly then faster and then....
<Hermes`> whooosh
<Cyprus_> well the only interesting that happened in those type of OBE's was that white energy ball (or fireball) episode...
<Cyprus_> hum
<Cyprus_> I remember that in one OBE.
<Hermes`> well that is because you did not travel to where you needed to go
<Cyprus_> I was lift
<Cyprus_> then I started moving like there was a wind
<Cyprus_> and traveled a incredible speed
<Cyprus_> nothing happened I think
<Hermes`> well you have to keep going
<Hermes`> eventually you will arrive someplace
<Hermes`> and then some kind of adventure will begin
<Hermes`> at first It takes time to get the stamina to stay out long enough to reach where you are going.
<Hermes`> so some of these tunnel trips may be cut short
<Cyprus_> hum
<Cyprus_> anyway
<Cyprus_> I think I'm set
<Cyprus_> I'm a little sleep
<Cyprus_> that's good
<Cyprus_> hypnotic images will come faster
<Cyprus_> this time I wouldn't´t listen to music
<Cyprus_> so I don´t get distracted
<Cyprus_> set magicman?
<Hermes`> good luck
<GargowL> :))
<Hermes`> well I'm going to call It a night myself
<Cyprus_> anyway
<GargowL> Cyprus: I told you I don't have any CD left to record
<Cyprus_> after I see Camelot
<Cyprus_> and meet magicman
<Hermes`> I'll send energy off to you guys for travels tonight
<GargowL> oh, right ... you left me one :)
<Cyprus_> I want to wake up to remember the experience
<Hermes`> yea all of you
<Cyprus_> It would be nice if magicman did the same
<Cyprus_> so we could assure the validity of the experience
<GargowL> hermes: do you think you can send me a message "You are dreaming, try to OBE."? :)
<Hermes`> I can try
<GargowL> thks :)
<Cyprus_> magicman: are you there?
<Hermes`> okay night everyone, happy travels
<Cyprus_> tks
<Cyprus_> good night
<Cyprus_> good luck everyone
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