Hermes Workshop Log File

Session Start: Wed Jul 26 16:16:52 2000
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<Hermes`> howdy
<fo0k> hi
<Gamble-> hi again
<Hermes`> how is everyone
<fo0k> my feet are sore
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<fo0k> delivered some 1000 advertisement leaflets this week
<Hermes`> ah sore feet tired body
<MagicMan> hey everyone
<fo0k> 2000 more to go
<MagicMan> hmm guessed
<Hermes`> wow that is a heap of leaflets
<fo0k> Hermes`, yeps. something like 15kg
<fo0k> all 3000 of them
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<fo0k> Hermes`, do you know how to cure insomnia?
<Hermes`> sounds like you found a cure there
<Hermes`> delivering lots of leaflets
<fo0k> no, I'm not the one suffering from sleeplessness, my love is.
<Hermes`> ha that person deliver the leaflets
<fo0k> I don't think she's fit enough :(
<Hermes`> you can try some chamomile tea
<fo0k> well I think she dislikes that sort of tea
<fo0k> and all sorts of teas in general
<Hermes`> I find that lots of physical exercise during the day is the best cure for insomnia, however if the person is not well enough to do that, then there is a problem.
<Hermes`> let me see if there is some kind of herb in a pill form that would work
<fo0k> ok
<fo0k> Hermes`, how do you see depression and getting out of that?
<Hermes`> well forcing yourself to laugh and be happy is the quickest way out of depression
<Hermes`> now the herb saint johns wart is both good for depression and sleeplessness
<Hermes`> and that you can get in a pill form
<Hermes`> depression is caused by the solar plexus becoming clogged or shutting down
<Hermes`> so a energetic way of helping to remove depression would be to work energy into the solar plexus
<Hermes`> depression is the dark sides greatest tool to destroy an individual
<Hermes`> depression comes on very slowly, you often never realize it is happening till it is too late
<fo0k> doesn't depression have a meaning? isn't it supposed to stop people from too much rush and start looking at things a bit differently?
<Hermes`> depression shuts down the solar plexus and this inhibits your reality creating power
<Hermes`> no, depression is a very bad condition
<Hermes`> in my opinion there is no good effects to depression
<Hermes`> it robs you of the right to enjoy life
<Hermes`> and it robs you of the power to create what you need and want in your life
<Hermes`> it infects those around you
<Hermes`> and can spread like a deadly virus
<Hermes`> the wise magician watches vigilantly for any sign of depression and removes it immediately
<Hermes`> as you can see I am very passionate about depression
<Hermes`> Valerian is very good for sleeping too, but I don't know if you can get this in pill form
<Hermes`> I know it comes in a tea, cause I have it here
<Cyprus> hey gargowl don´t you have questions to ask?
<GargowL> yeah, just can't remember them..
<GargowL> lol
<GargowL> I'll ask them as soon as I remember
<Hermes`> gingko is good for memory
<Cyprus> I have a mall one
<Cyprus> mall=small
<Hermes`> sure
<Cyprus> gingko, its that a herb?
<Hermes`> yea
<Hermes`> increases blood flow in the brain
<Cyprus> ok, I have a book, that in his many topics, teaches how to build a pyramid, but I made calculations and found out that they are impossible
<Cyprus> I mean
<Cyprus> the metrics(!?)
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<Cyprus> what are the exact and correct pyramid measurements?
<Hermes`> a pyramid has equal lengths on all sides
<Cyprus> I don´t know if the words metrics and measurements are correct in this case
<Hermes`> take some plastic straws all the same size
<Hermes`> lay them out in a square on the table, end to end
<Hermes`> then take the straws and lay them in a point
<Hermes`> from each corner
<Hermes`> you have just created a pyramid
<Cyprus> so, every side of the pyramids must be the same?
<Hermes`> yea
<fo0k> sorry, off the topic: what happens if one stays awake for 56 hours.
<fo0k> ?
<Hermes`> your brain starts taking small sleeps
<Hermes`> all of a sudden you will black out for a few seconds at a time
<Hermes`> it is quite a strange thing
<Cyprus> is that good for OBEs?
<Hermes`> no
<Hermes`> the brain just shuts down
<Hermes`> so you never remember anything
<Cyprus> I see
<Hermes`> well you could experiment with it
<Hermes`> when it happened to me, all I got was nothing
<Cyprus> the body may be tired but the brain is much more
<Hermes`> without sleep..
<Hermes`> a build up of anti awake chemicals builds up on the brain
<Hermes`> this shuts it down.
<Hermes`> as you sleep these chemicals are burned off
<Cyprus> another thing
<Cyprus> can gingko be dangerous?
<Hermes`> any herb in large quantities can be dangerous
<Hermes`> but taken in normal doses it is fine
<Cyprus> I see
<Cyprus> it makes be remember doping
<fo0k> it would be a powerful weapon! remote-control-mass-brain-shutdown-device! no wars anymore. No victims
<Cyprus> taken in large quantities the person may die
<Hermes`> herbs work best when you take a little over a period of time
<Hermes`> they heal but slowly,
<Hermes`> which for the most part is the proper way to heal
<fo0k> hmm, why do we have to sleep anyway?
<Cyprus> fo0k: actually there are devices that can put suggestions or even orders in your brain
<Hermes`> fook, sleep is a natural part of our physical operation and consciousness
<fo0k> Cyprus, I would like to purchase one of those! I would make myself go sleep right now and stop IRC'ing
<Hermes`> consciousness can not stay focused in one direction. It needs diversity
<Cyprus> hermes: yea, and I think that in a chess tournament they don´t profit(!?) doping
<fo0k> Hermes`, so sleeping well enough helps focusing your thoughts?
<Cyprus> fo0k: go to the NSA, or go talk to George W. Bush
<Cyprus> don ´t be surprise if they tell you they don´t know nothing about it
<fo0k> Cyprus, argh
<Hermes`> yes, the break from physical reality enables consciousness to keep alert and fixed in the body.
<Hermes`> consciousness is far too creative to have one focus only
<Hermes`> it needs lots of room
<fo0k> Hermes`, any hints for more efficient sleep?
<Hermes`> a glass of clear water before bed can help
<Hermes`> it keeps the body from dehydrating during sleep
<fo0k> my consciousness can't keep focused on one thing at all. It just wanders around.. Am I creative?
<Cyprus> fo0k: also don´t be surprise if you suddenly find your self in the astral or Etheric plane without remembering of trying to have a OBE or going to sleep... ;)
<fo0k> I drink lots of water all the time
<fo0k> Cyprus, am, what? I don't get that at all?
<Cyprus> what I mean is that you would be kill.....
<fo0k> Hermes`, drinking that glass of water might cool your belly down and cut bloodflow in there and make you more alert. That was an advice for students to take a glass of ice cold water before an exam
<Cyprus> hum
<Cyprus> tks for the tip
<fo0k> I suppose that I should drink 37o C water before going to bed..
<Hermes`> well I always have a glass of water before bed and it helps my out of body travels
<fo0k> interesting. I'll copy your habit
<fo0k> I usually use 0,5 litre glass
<Hermes`> that should do
<Hermes`> wait what is .5 liter in gallons
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<Hermes`> gambot convert .5 liters
-GamBot:#energyworks- 0.5 liter = 0.1 gallons = 0.1 us gallons = 16.9 floz = 1.1 pints = 2.1 cups = 33.8 tablespoons = 101.4 teaspoons = 0.5 quarts = 0.0 bushels = 0.1 pecks = 0.0 cumeter = 0.0 cuyards = 0.0 cufeet = 30.5 cuinches
<Cyprus_> this is me
<Cyprus_> 21:37] <Cyprus> hum
<Cyprus_> [21:37] <Cyprus> tks for the tip
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<Cyprus_> what did I miss?
<Hermes`> yea that is good
<fo0k> <Hermes`> well I always have a glass of water before bed and it helps my out of body travels
<fo0k> <fo0k> interesting. I'll copy your habit
<fo0k> <fo0k> I usually use 0,5 liter glass
<fo0k> <Hermes`> that should do
<fo0k> <Hermes`> wait what is .5 liter in gallons
<fo0k> that
<fo0k> in general
<Hermes`> wait
<fo0k> ok
<Hermes`> 4 ounces would be fine
<Hermes`> but you can have more
<Hermes`> gambot convert 4 ounces
-GamBot:#energyworks- 113.4 grams = 0.3 pounds = 4.0 ounces
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<Hermes`> 300 ml
<fo0k> Hermes`, I was thinking that about that would be ok
<fo0k> but it's very hot and humid in here
<Hermes`> ah so more would be better
<fo0k> I sweat a lot during my sleep
<Hermes`> lately I keep a water bottle by my bed
<Cyprus_> hermes: wasn't´t the US using the International System already?
<fo0k> I'll take that 0,5l
<Hermes`> we did for about 5 years then went back
<Hermes`> I have no idea why they returned to this old system but they did
<Hermes`> the metric system was much easier to figure out
<fo0k> it's addictive ;)
<Hermes`> yea, that must be it
<Cyprus_> yea, weird
<Cyprus_> I found inches, feet, miles, gallons very confusing
<Hermes`> it is
<Hermes`> there is no cohesiveness to it
<fo0k> where do those measures come from anyway?
<Hermes`> I guess somebody made them up
<Hermes`> I know feet came from the average size of your foot
<Hermes`> inches was the average size of the joint on your finger
<fo0k> figures
<Hermes`> miles and gallons I don't know
<Hermes`> I suppose with gallons that was the size of the jugs they stored the moonshine in
<fo0k> :D ??? lol
<Hermes`> :)
<fo0k> lol still :D
<fo0k> lollollol
<MagicMan> a bunch of crap...now the Brits complain about changing ...figures
<fo0k> didn't something very expensive got fucked up because of the metric and the us system? something in space.. a satellite or something
<Hermes`> hehe yea
<Hermes`> the mars probe
<fo0k> so typical action from humans
<Hermes`> somebody forgot to put the calculations in metric
<Hermes`> and they wondered why it went face first into the surface of the planet
<fo0k> that someone must have been very ashamed
<Hermes`> yea, I bet he is enjoying is janitorial job right now
<fo0k> something like elementary school or something?
<Hermes`> yea, cleaning them.
<fo0k> ;)
<fo0k> are you trying consciously to cheer me up?
<Hermes`> yea
<Cyprus_> hehehe
<Cyprus_> hermes: what things are good for focusing, concentration, clear thinking
<Cyprus_> what=what
<Hermes`> ah you can try looking at some mandala
<fo0k> I usually notice when people try to cheer me up and then I sort of start rejecting it because it's not "real or honest or original" or something.. I have had this weird habit from very early age... :(
<GargowL> I'm leaving, nothing to do on the net and nothing to ask.......
<GargowL> Farewell to thee
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<Hermes`> well fook if you can't laugh about the crazy things we have done as humans.
<Hermes`> I always find humanity amusing
<fo0k> Hermes`, they more like depress me ;)
<Hermes`> well, you have to try to find the lighter side of life
<Hermes`> granted it is not easy when you are prone to depression or depressed.
<fo0k> am, I had it in my everyday life some years ago, we were really nuts back then, but nowadays I think I have turned more "adult" and boring person
<Hermes`> yikes ditch the boring
<fo0k> we did some REALLY crazy stupid
<fo0k> with naf for example
<Hermes`> I too had a very active and fun childhood, then I grew up, my worst mistake. I spent the next 10 years depressed, and another 5 to try to get back what I lost. Now things are very different. Life is very very good, because I create it so.
<fo0k> I have hard time believing that creating stuff
<Hermes`> well
<Hermes`> the system does take time to learn
<fo0k> is the energyball thing the only way to change your life?
<Hermes`> it is a start
<Hermes`> the greatest tool is your thoughts...
<Hermes`> every thought creates a even like it.
<Hermes`> event^
<fo0k> I have heard/read that before
<Hermes`> so if you think you are depressed, it creates depressing things in you life
<fo0k> and I try to think nice thoughts about people and stuff
<Cyprus_> hermes: lately I haven´t been able to focus or concentrate my thinking any suggestion?
<fo0k> I have noticed that I have very hard time to get anything done unless I absolutely have to.
<Cyprus_> I say this koz I have been playing chess pretty badly
<Hermes`> Cyprus, sometimes you may need a break from a very active and focused life. But if this continues on for too long you have to kick yourself in the butt to get out of it
<Hermes`> fook, depression will do that. It robs you of the power to change things in your life.
<fo0k> Hermes`, hmm, can these energyballs help other peoples depression?
<Hermes`> yes they can, but help yourself first
<Hermes`> the magician knows that to help others, one must help himself first
<Cyprus_> hermes: what do you mean?(referring to your answer to my question)
<Hermes`> well you have to force yourself to change
<Hermes`> it is like this
<fo0k> Hermes`, I have never really got that. If you are depressed, you still can be nice to people..
<Hermes`> yes fook you can be nice to people, but you won't be much help in them getting out of their depression
<fo0k> am, but if the other people are in general fine.
<fo0k> then it works, doesn't it
<fo0k> so that phrase isn't seamless..
<fo0k> or something.
<Hermes`> fook are you looking for a reason to hold on to your depression?
<fo0k> am, no. I think, depression is very irritating
<Hermes`> okay lets go back to the phrase. "The magician knows that the best way to help others is to help himself first."
<fo0k> and I'm a kind of manic - dep. when I drink enough coffee, I start being very social and nuts and nuts and nuts and weird.
<Hermes`> let;s examine it
<fo0k> ok, with pleasure. I'm all ears.
<Hermes`> if you have the desire to help others but you yourself are in a state of disrepair, the very energy and life-force that others need you can't give.
<Hermes`> because you do not possess it
<Hermes`> so if you want to help others with energy balls and stuff, you have to have the energy and positive attitude to do so.
<fo0k> hmm
<Hermes`> so first you must acquire this energy and attitude for yourself.
<Hermes`> then you can share it with others.
<fo0k> it sounds kind of selfish.. First to me then to others
<Hermes`> it is not actually
<Hermes`> because after the time spent on the self is complete, you go on to help many many more people than you ever could imagine
<Hermes`> one positive light from one person is powerful enough to heal a hundred or more people
<Hermes`> the energy reaches outward like a river and flows out on to everything you touch
<fo0k> it would be nice to have that kinds of energies
<Hermes`> and you can
<MagicMan> damned connection...
<Hermes`> fook, just take one step at a time
<Hermes`> you cross a meter with one step at a time
<Hermes`> heal yourself one step at a time
<Hermes`> and you will cross that meter before you know it
<Hermes`> keep your goal in front of your mind
<fo0k> now that I think of it, I am really depressed.
<Hermes`> remember your goal and hold on to it like a cherished object.
<fo0k> cherished?
<Hermes`> wherever your focus is that is where you will be
<Hermes`> cherish= to hold on to dearly
<fo0k> ok.
<fo0k> am, sorry to ask you again, but I have a feeling that somehow by sleeping correctly
<fo0k> I could be more relaxed when I'm awake. or something?
<Hermes`> sleep does help
<Hermes`> but the non-sleep is linked with depression
<MagicMan> dammit
<Hermes`> it is not the cure all
<Hermes`> the cure all is to toss the depression off you like you would a garment you do not like.
<fo0k> "non-sleep"?
<Hermes`> insomnia
<fo0k> ok
<fo0k> am, "garment"?
<Hermes`> piece of clothing
<Hermes`> you get up in the morning, you put on a shirt. You don't like it, so you take it off and put on another one.
<Hermes`> you can do that with your feelings as well
<fo0k> hmm, probably just a coincidence, but I don't like to throw anything old away. It pisses of my love a lot ;)
<fo0k> ?
<Hermes`> if you wake up in the morning and feel depressed, you say "I don't like this feeling. I will remove it."
<Hermes`> why be at the mercy of your feelings
<Hermes`> change them
<fo0k> hmm, isn't that a lot like nlp
<fo0k> ?
<Hermes`> nlp?
<fo0k> neuro linguistic programming
<Hermes`> yes in a way
<Hermes`> it can be a powerful way to change your feelings
<Hermes`> you use words and actions to rid yourself of them
<fo0k> I hitch hiked once, and one driver was an nlp professional. I was very lonesome because I had to go away from my love to study and this nlp guy "programmed" me by conversing with me to totally forget that I was missing my love like hell.. I almost got angry at her (the nlp guy) for doing so.. Like "faking" my real feelings..
<Hermes`> its not, you are controlling your feelings
<Hermes`> if you don't control your feelings they will control you
<Hermes`> it is that simple
<fo0k> well, obviously so..
<Hermes`> it is not that you did not miss your love
<Hermes`> rather you were able to put those feelings aside and get on with what you had to do at that moment.
<fo0k> I got scared that it's possible to just wipe someone's love towards another person out just like that..
<Hermes`> that is not possible
<fo0k> I guessed that you would say that
<fo0k> ;)
<Hermes`> :)
<fo0k> btw. I often have a hint that what's going to happen if that thing goes like that.
<MagicMan> I don't like this 'disconnected' feeling away with it (hmm seems to be working for now.. I'm still on)
<Hermes`> there you go magic
<fo0k> hmm. I guess I should go and get some diversity for my consciousness
<Hermes`> hehe okay
<fo0k> it's always so hard to leave this channel
<Hermes`> ah that is good
<Hermes`> then we are having a positive effect on you
<fo0k> yea
<fo0k> ;)
<fo0k> copying you again
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<Cyprus_> can I ask something?
<Cyprus_> what do you mean?(referring to your answer to my question)
<Hermes`> you mean the kick yourself in the butt thing
<Cyprus_> yea
<Hermes`> what is it you want to do?
<Cyprus_> to be has I was before
<fo0k> ?
<Cyprus_> more focus, concentrated etc...
<MagicMan> :)
* fo0k feels very tired
<fo0k> one of our cats, "boulder" just woke up, it's 1:42 am here.
<Hermes`> well you have to force yourself to concentrate
<Hermes`> read more, do more with your mind
<Cyprus_> my dog( how do you say dog in the feminine? Bitch?) , a puppy actually, is sleeping
<Hermes`> play concentration games
<Cyprus_> yea, that's exactly the problem
<Cyprus_> I can´t concentrate
<Hermes`> you have to force yourself
<Hermes`> of course it is not going to be easy at first
<fo0k> sounds masochistic
<Cyprus_> but, before it was so easy
<MagicMan`> yeah this connection dropping thing is really like that
<MagicMan`> (ehehe)
<Hermes`> that is because you are stuck
<Hermes`> when you get stuck in a place like that, you have to force yourself out
<Hermes`> it is the only way
<Cyprus_> hum...
<Cyprus_> ok
<Hermes`> it is like mud
<Cyprus_> I am thinking about setting a set of rules
<Cyprus_> for clarify things
<Hermes`> if you put your foot in mud, at first it is easy to get out of. However the longer you sit in the mud the harder it is to get your foot out of it
<fo0k> the same thing goes with depression?
<Hermes`> yep
<fo0k> "nice"
<Cyprus_> LOL
<fo0k> I should start taking my foot of that mu
<fo0k> d
<fo0k> argh. I'll just go and diverse my consciousness bigtime
<Cyprus_> magicman man looses connection even in chess games
<fo0k> bye all, take care, sleep well, etc.
<fo0k> you're like great or something
<Hermes`> have a good sleep fool
<Hermes`> fook
<fo0k> thanks to god for letting me got lost in this channel
<fo0k> Hermes`, thanks
<fo0k> fool indeed ;)
<Hermes`> np glad we could all help here
<Hermes`> na
<Hermes`> well the fool is a powerful esoteric figure
<fo0k> ?
<fo0k> esoteric?
<Hermes`> the fool stands on the threshold of a new world
<fo0k> ? again
<Hermes`> he is protected in everything he does, because he does not know failure
<fo0k> ah. well, ok then
<fo0k> but bye for now, take care.
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<Cyprus_> hi again
<Cyprus_> hum
<Cyprus_> hermes: tarot?
<Hermes`> yea
<Cyprus_> very symbolic
<Cyprus_> can I ask something
<Hermes`> yes it is
<Hermes`> sure
<Cyprus_> just remembered
<Cyprus_> I saw something
<Cyprus_> about oils
<Cyprus_> to put in certain parts of the body
<Cyprus_> for OBEs
<Cyprus_> how can they help?
<Cyprus_> there he goes again....
<Cyprus_> r u there?
<Hermes`> one moment
<Hermes`> well some oils are charged with energy and they can release this energy into your chakra
<Hermes`> which can help you
<Hermes`> 'can' is the word to note
<Hermes`> I'm not sure they actually do help with OBE's
<Cyprus_> so the chakras are responsible for OBEs?
<Hermes`> but you can try it.
<Hermes`> yes
<Hermes`> they need to be charged up to OBE
<Hermes`> which is why the MPE is so important
<Hermes`> the chakra are your nonphysical senses
<Cyprus_> but what do they do to the chakras?
<Hermes`> each chakra is like an organ in the body
<Hermes`> it helps your spirit to function in some way
<Cyprus_> but
<Cyprus_> do the oils provoke vibrations?
<Hermes`> they can, but I do not know for sure
<Cyprus_> so vibrations are responsible for OBEs?
<Hermes`> the vibrations are the result of your spirit and body separating
<Cyprus_> not the cause
<Cyprus_> ?
<Cyprus_> have to go
<Cyprus_> cya
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