Hermes Workshop Log File

Session Start: Tue Aug 01 16:49:33 2000
*** Now talking in #energyworks
*** Topic is 'Astral Projection, Lucid Dreams and more are yours to explore!'
<Hermes`> howdy
<FORTYoz> hi
<sorolo> hi hermes:)
<FORTYoz> hey hermes are you familiar with sleep paralysis
<Hermes`> sleep paralyses is when the spirit detaches from the body and you become conscious.
<Hermes`> you can't move because you are in a pre-out of body state
<FORTYoz> ya.. For me.. Before it happens I get really horrible roaring in my head
<FORTYoz> then I get paralysis and I force myself to wake up
<Hermes`> yes that sound is the sound of the blood rushing through your body.
<FORTYoz> :(
<FORTYoz> why do I hear it
<FORTYoz> its horrible
<Hermes`> your nonphysical ears are very sensitive and you are focusing them within the body.
<FORTYoz> feels like my head is going to explode heh
<Hermes`> nonphysical sound can take a bit to get used too. At times it can seem very painful
<FORTYoz> should I just go with it or force myself to wake up?
<Hermes`> well you can just leave the body at that point
<Hermes`> and have fun on an adventure
<FORTYoz> I dunno how.. This is just happening to me, I 'm not inducing it
<FORTYoz> although I do remember floating back into my body a bit.. I dunno its really weird
<Hermes`> it is probably a wake-up call
<Hermes`> your spirit guides are telling you it is time to learn how to do this
<FORTYoz> wake-up call?
<FORTYoz> oh, it is getting stronger every time
<FORTYoz> harder to break out of
<Hermes`> if you go on one adventure, then these things won't persist as much
<FORTYoz> I didn't know what it was until after this last one.. It freaked the *** out of me so I looked on the web for some info
<MagicMan> you couldn't be luckier
<Hermes`> It is merely to get your attention on It and to act on It
<FORTYoz> Hermes`: now I 'm anxious for It to happen again.. But I don't know when It will
<Hermes`> well, just let It happen and It probably will on its own.
<FORTYoz> okay.. It's happened about 10 times
<FORTYoz> the roaring in my head
<FORTYoz> I've had sleep paralysis about 15 times
<FORTYoz> so 5 times without the roaring
<Hermes`> sounds like you are ready to fly
<fo0k> FORTYoz, as I stated before, lucky you.. in many ways..
<FORTYoz> I've read up on lucid dreaming.. Trying to do dream recall But my alarm just makes me jump 10 ft off my bed to shut It off
<FORTYoz> and I can't remember after that
<FORTYoz> I make It play mp3's really loud in the morning :P
<FORTYoz> thanks for the info, I understand It better now
<Hermes`> well, you can try a more subtle approach to remembering dreams: Drink a big glass of water before bed, and in two hours you will have to get up to go to the bathroom. At that point you may remember your dreams.
<FORTYoz> yeah.. I drink lots of water all the time
<FORTYoz> But I dunno if I can do that.. I really need my sleep. I think I 'm narcoleptic
<MagicMan> well that's unusual
<MagicMan> I never remember dreams if I wake up in the middle of the night
<FORTYoz> maybe I'll try dream recall on the weekends only
<Hermes`> well then upon awakening, try to do It slowly. Don't move for several minutes and try to remember your dreams at that point.
<MagicMan> if I wake up say after only <=6h I don't remember anything
<fo0k> am, would you guys do me a favor? would you send some energyballs to help me get a job I applied for.. o:)
<FORTYoz> send your prospective boss some energy tits ;)
<FORTYoz> probably fare better ;)
* Hermes` sends off a employment energyball
<fo0k> Hermes`, thanks a lot
<Hermes`> :)
<FORTYoz> no one else here for weeks. yay
<fo0k> that job is unbelievable.. Telephone marketing.. Income can be over $100000 a year if I sell enough stuff
<Pe-> I am going to sleep now :)
<FORTYoz> I make that tapping on keys ;)
<PE> Be well, and take care :)
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<FORTYoz> actually most of It was stock market heh
<fo0k> FORTYoz, good for you then again
<fo0k> Hermes`, that job would help me learn my lesson of the week.. Be happy.
<fo0k> are we going to group-meditate today?
<Hermes`> yea, a new job can certainly help hone-home the be-happy lesson
<fo0k> Hermes`, I've been drinking water before going to bed..
<fo0k> Hermes`, no significant change in remembering my dreams
<Hermes`> great, fook your body will love you for It
<Hermes`> well give It time. Keep the goal up of wanting to remember your dreams
<fo0k> yeps.. The water drinking habit has become an obsession already.. Like if I 'm in bed already and I remember that I haven't drank the water yet.. I'll get up and drink It
<FORTYoz> Hermes`: can you give me an idea of what an OBE 'adventure' consists of?
<Hermes`> well, you leave the body and then go someplace. Interact with the environment and then return to the body
<FORTYoz> hmm
<FORTYoz> real world or dream world
<FORTYoz> (that you go to)
<FORTYoz> heh
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<fo0k> Cyprus, hi there
<Cyprus> ´hi
<iWonder> hey Cyprus
<Hermes`> you can go to any one of several reality planes: Etheric, astral, mental, spiritual
<Hermes`> depending on where you are will depend on what you will do.
<FORTYoz> which is most fun:)
<Hermes`> the Etheric plane is lots of fun. It can often be very fairy tale like
<FORTYoz> hope It happens tonight
<FORTYoz> they seem to be coming with more frequency then before
<Hermes`> well then It is only a matter of when It will happen.
<Hermes`> okay I 'm clear here to do a meditation if others are willing.
<fo0k> I am willing
<iWonder> let's go for It
* FORTYoz has no clue
<sorolo> ready to meditate
<Hermes`> fortyoz, we do a 7 minute meditation where we learn to develop the power to travel in meditation
<Hermes`> after 7 minutes we come back and discuss what each of us saw in the meditation
<MagicMan> I think I'll pass this one out...I don't think there's no point doing It
<FORTYoz> I dunno if I can be involved, never meditated before
<Hermes`> the meditation coupled with the discussion unlocks the parts of your mind that keep you focused in the body...
<Hermes`> well all you have to do is sit down quietly someplace, and clear your mind. Take note to any images that may come into your mind.
<FORTYoz> okay. Is a chair fine? :>
<Hermes`> yea a chair works
<FORTYoz> okay, I 'm set
<Hermes`> any place comfortable, But away from the computer, so It does not distract you
<MagicMan> hm I don't know what do you think, hermes? should I or not?
<Hermes`> should you not what? magicman
<fo0k> Hermes`, how far away?
<MagicMan> meditate
<Hermes`> just far enough so the screen is not blaring in your eyes
<iWonder> there's always the screen off button
<Hermes`> yea you can shut the monitor
<fo0k> like 1,5m to the left is enough?
<Hermes`> sure that is far enough
<fo0k> I'll shut It down anyway.. Just in case..
<sorolo> see u in 7 mins guys
<Hermes`> okay lets go
<fo0k> c ya
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* Hermes` will be back in 7
<MagicMan> I'll increase the degree of difficulty this time ehehe
<MagicMan> I'll chat at the same time
<MagicMan> hm I think I'm done
<iWonder> coming up
<MagicMan> the 7min are up?
<iWonder> I 'm up
<sorolo> back
* Hermes` back
<MagicMan> I was always here ;)
<fo0k> back
* iWonder what took u guys so long :)
<fo0k> I set my alarm clock to wake me up at wrong time
<Hermes`> :)
<MagicMan> willow tree dancing in the breeze
<sorolo> I set my alarm clock and It failed:P
<Hermes`> okay we have a tree, what else?
<fo0k> I guess I didn't succeed very well this time: I saw very very fast flashes that are not connected one to another at all: 1st a horse, 2nd a foot of a scale mail armor of knight, 3rd a wintery scenery
<sorolo> I saw..
<MagicMan> don't count my images I was just fooling around (not really serious with It)
<sorolo> some bee,a key,a boat,a sort like timewarp hole ..and a big building like a garage
<fo0k> I also saw a tunnel with light in the distance... like looking up inside a chimney and seeing the sky.. Or something.. But I see those often
<fo0k> no lovely waves this time
<iWonder> I saw that thing in the Korean flag(colorless) a spider web, a strong thought "Magicman", a phrase I couldn´t understand, and the word Strauss
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<FORTYoz> interesting
<Hermes`> welcome back forty
<FORTYoz> thanks
<Hermes`> we will have to past here what people said.
<fo0k> paste?
<FORTYoz> sorry for being late
<FORTYoz> I didn't see anything But felt odd powerful sensations in my body
<FORTYoz> and feel very refreshed
<MagicMan> ah a feeling person maybe?
<Hermes`> nice forthy, that is the group energy you sensed
<FORTYoz> never done that before. (Meditating)
<FORTYoz> I 'm gonna try It some more at home
* FORTYoz is at work
<FORTYoz> I really have a hard time getting music out of my head, But once my mind was clear I felt these weird sensations
<FORTYoz> and much more awake (I'm *ALWAYS* drowsy)
<Hermes`> meditation can be quite refreshing
<Hermes`> even a quick one like this one
<FORTYoz> yes.. Amazing.. Was so short..
* FORTYoz goes to er.. drain some water
<fo0k> hermes, is this a workshop session?
<Hermes`> yea
<Hermes`> we do lots of things here at the workshop
<fo0k> birdhouses?
<fo0k> ;)
<FORTYoz> anyone else here a vegetarian?
<sorolo> hermes,what do you saw?
<Hermes`> soren that garage could be the nonphysical autoshop on the Etheric plane.
<sorolo> cool..
<Hermes`> I traveled through a tunnel, then came to a beach, then a cave. Inside the cave at the end Was some kind of shiny bright object. I could not get to the object because I Was told It Was a quest for one of you.
<MagicMan> hmm Was It a paper?
<MagicMan> or something similar
<Hermes`> I could not get to the end of the cave to find out.
<MagicMan> well while I Was kidding around here I saw something like a paper
<MagicMan> It Was connected to a Greek column
<sorolo> hermes the tunnel Was some startrek like?
<MagicMan> stone made probably
* Cyprus : Beautiful Art!!! http://www.jonathonart.com/
<Hermes`> the tunnel or the cave?
<Hermes`> the tunnel Was the standard nonphysical tunnels, they are circular and color coded with rings
<Hermes`> this tunnel had orange rings
<Hermes`> the cave Was a small zig-zaggy thing
* MagicMan : cyprus, nice
<Hermes`> at the end Was a large opening where the object Was
<sorolo> I meant the nonphysical..
<sorolo> coz I saw It when I tried to tune with u
<Hermes`> very good soren
<fo0k> how does one tune with another?
<MagicMan> hm check the artwork guys...hermes check if Guinevere matches with the one in Camelot
<Hermes`> you just focus on a person and see what comes
<fo0k> Hermes`, focus how? if I want to tune with you, what do I think? I don't know what you look like.. If I don't think about your face, then what?
<sorolo> btw I tried to enter the building too,But inside It Was too..
<sorolo> messy
<fo0k> I mean it's hard to focus on somebody that you know only from IRC
<sorolo> and the appearance Was shinygreen, But I guess color is subjective
<MagicMan> hm since It seems quests were involved I should have taken the meditation seriously
<FORTYoz> you can travel in meditation ??
<sorolo> fo0k:I just thought his name
<fo0k> sorolo, ah, ok then
<Hermes`> when you tune into another person you just think of them, you don't have to know about what they look like.
<FORTYoz> hmm I 'm reading the last workshop
<FORTYoz> about depression
<Hermes`> fortyoz, yea travel in these kinds of mediation is the idea
<Hermes`> while not all your meditations will be travel ones, here we try to learn how to do the travel ones.
<FORTYoz> okay, I don't know how.. But I'll keep that in mind
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<Hermes`> forthy, well that is the point here, you learn a bit at a time how to do these meditations
<FORTYoz> Hermes`: ok
<MagicMan> hermes, is there any quest out there on some piece of paper or something?
<Hermes`> soren you mean the garage is a mess. Boy I better clean that up
<iWonder> lol
<sorolo> hehe:)
<FORTYoz> heh I have something like that
<Hermes`> well magicman in your last quest you were either at the crystal palace or the tower of light. In either of those places you have to get some object and bring It to Sandalphon
<Hermes`> magicman It could of been a scroll
<MagicMan> yes I Was trying to remember a good word for It I guess that is suitable
<MagicMan> I guess I've completed the last quest already, haven't I ?
<Hermes`> well did you deliver the scroll?
<MagicMan> do I have to see myself delivering It to deliver It?
<Hermes`> magiman, yes
<MagicMan> oh damn
<Hermes`> magicman, that is the most important part
<Hermes`> you were shown the scroll to tell you that is what you must get and bring back to Sandalphon
<MagicMan> ok I'll deliver It tonight
<Hermes`> magicman, upon successful completion of the task you get a gift from Sandalphon
<Hermes`> that is how you know you completed It
<MagicMan> Well I already have my trusty sword
<Hermes`> that is good start magicman, But there is lots more tools to get
<fo0k> Hermes`, how much practice does It usually take for a beginner to be able to accomplish a task in that island?
<Hermes`> fook, usually by the third to sixth time you are starting to do things.
<Hermes`> in the first time you just sense something
<fo0k> is there a way to separate "real meditation" from your own imagination?
<Hermes`> yea, experience, which is why we talk about It here
<MagicMan> maybe It is, maybe It is not
<MagicMan> the more I do It the more I find It difficult to differentiate both
<fo0k> is there any differences between meditating alone and just plain relaxing alone, eyes closed and stuff?
<FORTYoz> <newbie>what is the highest plane you've been too Hermes?</newbie>
<Hermes`> well meditation is a bit more deliberate
<Hermes`> It is something you decide to do.
<Hermes`> then set out to do It
<fo0k> deliberate?
<Hermes`> this does not mean that a daydream could not be a meditation.
<FORTYoz> not sure I understand planes yet
<Hermes`> well forty most of the stuff you will do at first will happen on the Etheric plane in Malkuth http://www.wisdomsdoor.com/wb/hwb-mal.shtml
<Hermes`> for now that is really the only plane you need to know about
<Hermes`> I've been up to the ARN or the second to highest plane in the plane of spirit
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<fo0k> how can a daydream be meditation?
<Hermes`> http://www.wisdomsdoor.com/at/aethyrmap.shtml
<Hermes`> well some daydreams are fook. But not all
<Hermes`> in a real tech sense a meditation is something you plan to do.
<Hermes`> you clear your mind and try to sense what is going on.
<sorolo> Hermes, how can I do things during meditation? Like entering in astral shop..just imagine me doing that and see the response?
<Hermes`> well in time soren you will see some continuity to these images, they will form a story. Then they start to become more real feeling. Eventually they are like mini OBE's
<FORTYoz> Hermes`: thanks
<sorolo> I see..right now I see only flash
<Hermes`> soren, in mediation you don't try to force the images, they just come to you
<Hermes`> yea soren, in the beginning they are just flashes
<Hermes`> But that is a very good start
<fo0k> any advice for meditation for a real beginner? I mean it's REALLY hard to separate the senses from imagination, specially when meditating alone.. is It any good just to lie down and close my eyes and sense what I happen to sense, not thinking about whether it's imagination or "real"?
<Hermes`> exactly fook
<Hermes`> do that
<MagicMan> of course there are lots of kinds of meditation this is only MT
<Hermes`> there is a healing meditation, a travel one, one where you just link to your higher self. yea all sorts of meditations
<sorolo> hermes,what happen if I do meditation during an OBE?like Etheric plane
<fo0k> how long It takes to go meet my spirit guide (to a beginner, usually, etc.)
<MagicMan> the healing one is the one where you visualize a stream of light/water?
<Hermes`> soren; yea you can have a meditation from an OBE, what happens is you use that plane as a starting point for that meditation.
<Hermes`> magicman, the healing one is one where healing takes place. It can come in the form of light, sound or just sensations.
<MagicMan> hm ok
<Hermes`> you lie down for a healing meditation, with your back straight
<MagicMan> I guess its a bit like that stuff you explained last time to pureheart
<fo0k> hmm, is It any good to drink a LOT of water before going to bed? in order to wake up after couple of hours? something like 1,5 liter?
<Hermes`> fook, you can do that to get up and then use that semi-sleepy condition to try to OBE from or remember a dream.
<fo0k> before or after going to the bathroom? :D
<Hermes`> hehe
<Hermes`> after
<fo0k> after, I suppose?
<Hermes`> you can try before But all you will get is dreams about peeing
<fo0k> well.. I wake up quickly and have hard time falling asleep after that
<FORTYoz> Hermes`: that place sounded really cool
<fo0k> :D
<FORTYoz> Hermes`: how do you get there?
<FORTYoz> traveling in lucid dreams, or OBE or meditations?
<fo0k> I 'm reeeeally tired.
<fo0k> I think I'll go to bed now.. Bye all. Sleep well etc. see you all in Thursday, same time same place.. Hopefully
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<FORTYoz> I want to meditate again :)
<sorolo> :)
<Hermes`> forty you mean how do I get to Malkuth or ARN?
<Hermes`> Malkuth will just happen naturally, from the meditation
<Hermes`> ARN takes some time to develop and achieve
<FORTYoz> k
<FORTYoz> well is Malkuth .. like does It seem real or is It more like a daydream or what
<Hermes`> Malkuth is very physical like
<Hermes`> very fairy tale like
<FORTYoz> I can't comprehend getting that out of meditation..
<Hermes`> It can seem real or dream like depending on the meditation or the OBE
<FORTYoz> okay
<FORTYoz> I need some food ideas, I haven't been eating properly the past 6 years while I've been vegetarian
<fo0k> FORTYoz, I eat a little meat, But mostly I 'm a vegetarian
<fo0k> FORTYoz, stand by, I might have some links..
<fo0k> FORTYoz, http://www.vegan.org/ have you checked that one out?
<FORTYoz> fo0k: nope, will do!
<FORTYoz> I eat 3 meals a day out though, never cook. ever ;)
<fo0k> FORTYoz, soya is a very good ingredient
<fo0k> FORTYoz, I have a product that is made of soya flour, you mix It up with milk and It tastes like peanuts.. It has very much protein in It
<Hermes`> well I got to go.
<Hermes`> see all of you on Thursday. Keep up the good work
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Session Close: Tue Aug 01 19:04:21 2000