Hermes Workshop Log File

Session Start: Tue Sep 19 16:06:09 2000
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<Hermes`> hello there people
<naf> ho
<Hermes`> so anything going on? dreams? OBEs?
<naf> nope, not lately.
<naf> I also noticed that the testicle thingie went away, I haven't done MPE's lately.
<Hermes`> I see
<naf> quite strange it is. :)
<Hermes`> well you should start the MPE's again and see what happens
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<Hermes`> hi magicman
<MagicMan> howdy guys
<naf> I'll get more lucid dreams, will get some strange states of mind just before falling asleep etc.
<naf> hi MagicMan.
<naf> Hermes`, and also that testicle thingie. :)
<Hermes`> well it is possible that you have a lower chakra problem and when you do the MPE it starts to work on it. Most likely long term this testicle thing would stop once the chakra is working properly.
<naf> could be it.
<naf> Actually, it didn't occur the first times I did MPE, after about 30 times.
<Hermes`> how many MPE's a day did you do?
<naf> 3 or 2
<naf> or did I do them too long?
<Hermes`> 2 or 3 a day is fine
<naf> or was it, because I started to do them properly after those 30 times. :)
<Hermes`> perhaps.
<Hermes`> it could just be something that happened and won't happen again
<naf> yep, I should try again soon.
<Hermes`> you won't really know until you start doing the MPE again
<naf> what is the purpose of those strange states, when you are about to fall asleep, for example, I noticed how I was going into some void, and when I reached it, I felt like my nerves would have doubled, like I was feeling how my fingers were bigger than they are etc.
<naf> and I felt really big and really small at the same time. :)
<naf> but there was no OBE vibrations.
<naf> still the experience was as clear as OBE vibrations.
<Hermes`> that is what I call the vast sea
<Hermes`> explained in detail in Reality Creator II
<Hermes`> it is a predream holding area where your consciousness stops and chooses what dreams it will enter.
<naf> oh, the finger thingie, I felt how my fingers were big enough to be inside each other, but still they didn't touch each other. :)
<Hermes`> in this area your body is mostly energy and your consciousness is nearly free of the brain.
<Hermes`> all sorts of strange feelings and things can be glimpsed in this area.
<Hermes`> usually you will only stay in this place long enough to choose a dream, then you will enter the dream.
<Hermes`> it is good that you are becoming aware of this point in sleep. It shows that your consciousness is starting to stay alert.
<Hermes`> how often does this happen that you notice yourself in this place?
<naf> well, it wasn't like that, I felt and heard everything that was going on in the room (there was actually no other action than my clock's ticking).
<naf> It was like when you are having OBE vibrations, but there's some sort of energetic feeling in your body.
<FORTYoz> hiya
<naf> It has happened twice now
<Hermes`> well it could be the state just before the vibrations, when your consciousness shifts from the body to the spirit.
<naf> I did some MPE's back then. It was about week ago, and the other was a week before that.
<naf> hi FORTYoz
<FORTYoz> heh naf I've been in that state lots
<FORTYoz> the vibrations come later if you hold it
<FORTYoz> its after you 'drop down a gear' as hermes describes it
<naf> yep, but I always get the vibrations very fast
<naf> this time that state came in very slowly
<naf> and I never reached the vibrations, just observed how I felt with my body.
<FORTYoz> me?
<naf> I actually could see the void, but my vision did not change. :)
<FORTYoz> every time I try to OBE
<naf> well, it's hard to describe, yes it feels much like the state you have just before the vibrations.
<naf> but I never had that state for a very long time
<naf> only 1 or 2 seconds that is. :)
<naf> seconds even.
<FORTYoz> yes that is EXACTLY how it feels
<FORTYoz> hold that state for a while, maybe half hour
<naf> what's the use of holding the state? :)
<FORTYoz> heh naf that describes it exactly how I feel before the vibrations come
<naf> I am much likely to fall asleep. :)
<FORTYoz> it usually takes me 10-20 minutes in that state before the vibrations come
<naf> FORTYoz, oh, you see like some void is coming closer to your eyes?
<FORTYoz> yes
<naf> hmm, I've had lots and lots of vibrations, but that state has been for 5 minutes only twice. :)
<FORTYoz> it feels like I have one eye and I'm staring into a big black void
<naf> yes, that is it. :)
<naf> It's quite cool. :)
<naf> Hermes`, what happens in that state?
<FORTYoz> and my body feels really energized and my limbs and fingers and stuff feel expanded
<FORTYoz> its very cool state, nice and relaxing
<FORTYoz> healing almost
<Hermes`> that is the point where your consciousness has shifted from the body to the spirit.
<Hermes`> you can hold that state or move out of it into the vibration stage.
<Hermes`> I often use that stage for self healing work.
<naf> yes, I felt how my limbs and fingers and everything was at least twice as big as normal. :) But still I felt really tiny at the same time. :)
<Hermes`> your subconscious mind can be programmed quite easily in that state as well.
<Hermes`> so it can also be used for getting rid of bad behaviors.
<Hermes`> so naf, while you may have zipped right past this stage in the past, perhaps now you are learning about it, and thus spending more time in it.
<naf> I've had most of my vibrations through lucid dreams, that's why I've skipped that stage.
<naf> how can I program my subconscious mind? :)
<naf> is it like self hypnosis?
<Hermes`> yes just like self hypnosis, just tell yourself stuff over and over again in a mantra
<Hermes`> keep the program sentence positive.
<naf> sounds interesting. :)
<naf> do I get healing automatically when I'm in that state?
<naf> And I'm still so curious about forecasting, I don't want to know how things will turn out, but to know some names etc. beforehand, just for testing. :)
<Hermes`> well you get a general healing while there, but to make it really effective you have to talk to your body while in this state.
<Hermes`> tell your body where it needs to get well
<Hermes`> and imagine that area receiving energy and healing
<FORTYoz> yeah
<FORTYoz> I like that stage, when I get to it I usually get the vibrations cuz I wanna stay n it.. If I cant get to that stage after 5-10 minutes I get restless and just turn over and go to sleep
<naf> hey, I had very sore legs after one rave party, and entered the state not deliberately at all, so was it someone, who put me in that state to heal my legs for example?
<Hermes`> yes no doubt your spirit guide has been helping you to be in this state.
<naf> about that forecasting, how should I try it, If I want to try it? :)
<Hermes`> do you mean forecasting from that pre OBE state? or forecasting in general?
<naf> forecasting in general.
<Hermes`> well unless you had some kind of inner talent for this sort of thing, about all you may develop is a sense or an intuition of what may happen.
<Hermes`> from a reality creating standpoint, you create your own moments, so there is no guess work about what will happen.
<naf> but If I want to know some names beforehand or so?
<Hermes`> If you have that talent, then go to it.
<naf> do I have to enter any state?
<naf> there's no actual instructions then+
<Hermes`> no not really
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<PE> Hey Ppl! :)
<Hermes`> you either have this skill or you don't.
<naf> hi PE
<naf> Hermes`, ok. How do I know If I have it? :)
<PE> I got my reiki II. attunement on Sunday :)
<PE> Does anyone have any illnesses?
<PE> What skill is on the topic?
<Hermes`> naf, well, all I can say is practice it and see.
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<Cyprus> hi there
<Cyprus> full house!
<naf> Hermes`, umm, how do I start practicing?
<naf> hi Cyprus
<Hermes`> okay naf what exactly do you want to develop with this knowing ahead of time?
<Cyprus> I am with lag?
<Hermes`> I don't think so Cyprus
<naf> Hermes`, just for testing purposes. :)
<Hermes`> you could have your friend think of a name and try to guess it
<Hermes`> look at the back of playing cards and try to guess them
<Hermes`> when the phone rings try to figure out who it is before you answer it.
<Cyprus> I can do that
<Hermes`> like any other skill the more you practice the better you will get at it. However keep in mind that some of those television personalities have a natural knack for doing these kinds of things. You may not develop it to this point.
<Hermes`> but you can certainly increase your intuition.
<Hermes`> I like to take a more active approach to this process. Instead of tying to guess what will happen, I try to create what will happen.
<naf> ok
<naf> thanks
<Hermes`> when something does not create as intended then I examine it to see where the process failed.
<Hermes`> what I am talking about here are not the specifics of life but the general flow of it.
<Hermes`> for example..
<Hermes`> I want to create a nice easy peaceful day. So I send out energy and thoughts to make it so...
<Hermes`> however I find instead my day is chaotic and busy and anything but peaceful
<Hermes`> so now I have to figure out why I created this day the way I did and not as I intended.
<Hermes`> in this examining process I learn more about how my thought processes work.
<Hermes`> and get better at the reality creating game.
<Hermes`> you could say that at some point you become so good at the game that nothing ever surprises you anymore because you are well aware of those surprises as you create them.
<Hermes`> in effect you don't need to predict the future anymore
<Hermes`> because you create it.
<naf> yep
<naf> the question is, why to create a better life? :)
<Hermes`> well you can create any kind of life you want
<Hermes`> it does not have to be better.
<Hermes`> perhaps you want a more busy life
<Hermes`> then create that.
<Hermes`> perhaps you want it to stay the same
<Hermes`> then create that
<FORTYoz> heh
<PE> Hkrm.
<FORTYoz> I'm creating my get rich life
<PE> Excuse me If I interrupt you, I just wanna ask something :)
<FORTYoz> its working well
<FORTYoz> ;)
<Hermes`> go ahead PE
<PE> What is on the topic? :)
<naf> FORTYoz, :)
<Hermes`> we were talking about intuition
<PE> What is on the topic? :)
<PE> Other question:
<PE> Does anyone have any illness?
<naf> my feet are a bit sore.
<FORTYoz> PE: sure, lots.
<FORTYoz> H
<FORTYoz> heh
<Hermes`> congratulations on your Reiki PE
<PE> Grazie :)
<PE> Forty: what kind of illnesses do you have?
<FORTYoz> kinda personal question isn't it? :>
<PE> hm, ok :)
<PE> Can I heal you?
<PE> Can I help your body in the healing process? :)
<FORTYoz> yes
<FORTYoz> be my guest
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<GargowL> hi
<Hermes`> hi gargowl
<Cyprus> yo gargowl
<naf> ho
<PE> Forty: ok :)
<Cyprus> everybody asleep?
<Hermes`> yea zzzzzz
<Hermes`> send in more questions
<PE> yep
<Hermes`> PE tell us about your level 2 training.
<PE> Hm
<PE> I have one :)
<PE> Who and how can read the Akashic books?
<PE> Wait a sec :)
<PE> Who and how can receive rights to read the Akashic books?
<Hermes`> you need to be in an altered state of consciousness to do that. You can do it in out of body travel, or even from hypnosis
<Hermes`> well If you do the whole Tree of Life training you should be permitted to read the records. Mostly you can read your own records.
<FORTYoz> heh
<Hermes`> however at times people with no Tree of Life training have been able to read the records. These people had special needs or life-lessons to learn that involved using this skill.
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<Ren^> hello!
<Hermes`> hi Ren? How are you doing?
<Cyprus> hi ren
<PE> Hey Ren!
<MagicMan> -hi ren
<PE> I haven't seen you here :)
<MagicMan> wow long time no see
<Ren^> thanks, a bit busy at the beginning of semester, but great otherwise :))
<Hermes`> the Akashic records are stored in the Tree of Life sphere Tipherath.
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<Hermes`> welcome angeleye
<angeleye> Hello...I sense silence?
<PE> Hermes: how can I start doing tree of life?
<PE> Should I learn oobeing? :)
<MagicMan> wow really full house now
<Hermes`> well PE you can use your dreams, or a travel meditation, or OBE for trips into the Tree of Life.
<Hermes`> on Thursday's we do a short meditation to begin this journey into the Tree of Life.
<PE> dreams how?
<Hermes`> well you would have to program up a dream
<PE> That's not a great day for that
<Hermes`> before going to bed, you can say to yourself over and over, "I will visit with archangel Sandalphon in Malkuth, in a dream".
<Hermes`> Malkuth is the place to start in the Tree of Life, and Sandalphon is the being you need to see to open the rest of the Tree of Life to you.
<PE> I know what Malkuth is :)
<Hermes`> PE how are you with meditation?
<PE> Nohow ... :-I
<PE> I can't control my thoughts for more than 2 minutes
<Hermes`> well then you are limited to doing it in dreams.
<angeleye> then let go of control PE_
<PE> angeleye: how did you mean that?
<angeleye> I don't mean to interupt...but control can sometimes come in the way of releasing spiritual energy
<PE> Aham.
<PE> Btw
<PE> Angeleye, and Ren: I haven't seen you here before... where are you from?
<angeleye> I am a med. student from denmark..at home right now..but normally I'm in Burma or Cambodia most of the year
<Ren^> I'm currently in US, originally from Latvia.
<angeleye> I study yoga PE something called Kriya ....interested in using spiritual energy as healing in medicine
<Cyprus> raja yoga seems cool
<Cyprus> (or was it hatha yoga!?)
<PE> Thanks newbies (?) :)
<angeleye> cyprus there are many different forms of yoga..sme are very physically focused others are about burning up karma
<angeleye> *LOL*
<Cyprus> yea I know that
<Cyprus> :|
<Ren^> Have you heard anything about Tachyon energy?..
<PE> nope
<angeleye> the word rings a bell
<PE> whazzat?
<PE> :)
<angeleye> tachy I think means fast or strong?
<Ren^> I don't know what it means :) but... actually I know very little about this
<GargowL> yeah, a cool powerful weapon usually installed in starships :)
<PE> Tell us :)
<Ren^> its kinda scientific approach
<PE> Garg :)
<angeleye> *LOL*
<Ren^> they has some kind of mechanic to "Tachionize" things
<PE> hm, err
<Ren^> like food, or pendants, or other stuff
<PE> It is 23:55 here, and tomorrow I will have to get up at 6:10 ...
<Ren^> and then these tachionized things would work as energy anthenas
<PE> So the time has come to make a sleep :)
<Ren^> hehe, have a sweet dreams!
<PE> Take care :)
<Hermes`> Tachyons are theorized particles that travel faster than light.
<Ren^> Hermes, do you think this stuff is real?
<Cyprus> then why do you call it energy?
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<PE> bye :)
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<naf> off to bed, nite.
<Ren^> well, *everything* is energy, I think :)
<Hermes`> well in the nonphysical energy travels faster than light
<angeleye> everything is energy... matter is just energy compressed
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<Cyprus> angeleye: yea your right
<Cyprus> E=MC^2
<angeleye> *LOL*
<angeleye> no I mean it quite literally traversing all planes existing
<angeleye> If your thoughts are the first energy you put out to the universe..actions on the thought are stronger means of connecting with a universe of energy
<Ren^> as I know, Tachyon is still "supposed" to be only in theoretical level.. But then again, I hear here and there that people are actually using it somehow. I have a tachionized pendant too :)
<angeleye> at least these are some of my thoughts on the subject
<Hermes`> and they are good thoughts indeed, angeleye.
<angeleye> :-)
<Hermes`> Ren I don't know If they have discovered tachyons yet.
<Hermes`> I'm sure someday they will.
<Cyprus> they are probably invisible
<angeleye> probably..*lol*
<Ren^> but people are talking about.. Also that Tesla discovered gravity some 20 years ago!.. but then disappear
<MagicMan> its all theory guys...for now
<Ren^> you never know what the military science has by now..
<Cyprus> yea
<Cyprus> that's true
<Cyprus> just a thing
<angeleye> anyways..Do any of you ever play with your energy..bending it or pushing it against objects?
<Cyprus> Tesla discovered gravity!?
<Cyprus> don´t you mean ANTI-gravity?
<Hermes`> angeleye, do you mean in the way of moving objects?
<Ren^> Cyprus, I mean he discovered what exactly is gravity, and how to use the power :) like make a box that gives out energy just because gravity works on it...
<Cyprus> ha
<Cyprus> yea
<Cyprus> Townsend Brown also did that
<angeleye> Hermes..well I mostly use the energy to straighten out energy paths that are off a bit in sick people..but I guess that's like moving things some what
<angeleye> I was thinking more about how I in the beginning used to open up a chakra and pull energy in and out to get a feel of it
<Hermes`> yes angeleye, I do use energy in that way.
<Hermes`> not only for healing but to correct the energy in situations or things, or things that are occurring.
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<angeleye> yes exactly..
<Hermes`> it is a powerful way to restore balance and energy.
<angeleye> I think of all the energy people put out with their thoughts and on how one can try and be conscious about putting out energy that will heal
<angeleye> yeah...a good thing people use prayer circles
<MagicMan> a meditation session with this amount of people would be nice
<MagicMan> whops some have left already
<Hermes`> yes the thought energy that the average person puts out is... well quite chaotic and often destructive.
<angeleye> I read some of your chat transcript but am unsure of what method you use when you meditate..
<angeleye> yes Hermes..
<Hermes`> those prayer, and meditation circles all help to lower keep this not so good energy.
<Hermes`> ditch the word "keep" above ^
<angeleye> it is...I think the universe is a web of energy and a lot of it accumulates from completely different people..based on the whether its all negative or aggressive and so forth
<angeleye> they are very powerful prayer circles especially when you get used to focusing your energy on G-dspirit and direction
<Hermes`> those spots of accumulated negative energy are where positive energies and thoughts need to be focused.
<Ren^> how do you focus your energy? by imagination?..
<Hermes`> over the past several years it has been a welcome site to see more people tuning into and working on these blocks of negative energy. It can do a great deal to help the planet.
<angeleye> I agree....but I also believe that there really are no "bad" events as such although its a difficult focus to keep
<angeleye> yes it can...its not untrue that faith can move mountains..*lol*
<Hermes`> ren you can use your imagination, meditation, prayer, or even out of body travel and dreams to work on this energy.
<Hermes`> you can do this right at home where you are now.
<angeleye> It is a good idea to use your third eye when you direct energy
<Ren^> how do you *use* it?
<angeleye> If you have worked with chakras before
<angeleye> ups
<Ren^> lol
<angeleye> sorry...
<Hermes`> when a situation comes up where the energy is out of balance, calm yourself, connect with your center or inner peace, and then try to spread that out into the atmosphere around you.
<angeleye> well you concentrate on the spot between and a little above your eyes
<Ren^> Hermes, I'm not home.. I'm in my office at Univ., don't have computer home
<angeleye> Yes like Hermes says..you can also say a prayer to an angel or G-d
<Ren^> G-d?
<angeleye> Ren^>> God
<Ren^> why do you write it like that :)
<angeleye> *lol*....my own little quirk...I believe I call on that particular energy everytime I use the word say it or write it
<angeleye> and it should always be used with respect..its a great power
<Ren^> do you also think of it in this way? :)
<angeleye> but Ren^when you do meditation via the chakras its very common to use the third eye as a mean of focusing your energy..like you'll wanna do in a prayer circle
<Ren^> ohh, I'm not familiar with prayer circle, I think
<angeleye> Ren^>> I don't normally spell my thoughts
<angeleye> *lol*
<Ren^> prayer - yes, circle - ? no
<angeleye> Hermes explained a little above how useful those circles can be..Its just a suggestion :-)
<Hermes`> a prayer circle is a group of people that get together and say prayers, all while focusing their thoughts on one or more people.
<Ren^> ahh
<Hermes`> it is a powerful way to rebalance energy.
<angeleye> thoughts and energy...depending on the group
<Hermes`> yes, either one, thoughts or energy
<Hermes`> actually I consider thoughts as energy.
<Ren^> like prayer in Church.. Would you call it a prayer circle?
<angeleye> I am new in this IRC stuff....why is there a continuing PIN? PONG! thin going on in the background ??
<Hermes`> actually to be more precise, I feel thought is focused energy.
<angeleye> I do to Hermes..just used to being very elaborate with my thoughts on this stuff cause of the people I talk to about it
<Hermes`> the ping pong thing is the IRC equipment checking to see If you are still here.
<angeleye> ahh
<angeleye> *lol'..thanks
<angeleye> Hermes I do too..like I mentioned thought is like the first of the trinity of energy
<angeleye> thought, action and being..
<Hermes`> yes
<angeleye> being is the high state where you can use your soul energy in the why of a master
<angeleye> why=way
<Ren^> isn't thought an action itself? I mean, when I think I usually feel being "active", like I am doing something.
<angeleye> when do people show up in Energyworks?
<Hermes`> thought precedes action on the physical plane.
<angeleye> Ren^I mean lit this way..thought is the father of action...action is thought experienced
<Hermes`> usually Tuesdays and Thursday at this time is the most busy
<FORTYoz> :d
<angeleye> ok Hermes...will check it out on Thursday
<Hermes`> Thursday we do a short 10 minute meditation at the start then talk about some of our experiences.
<Hermes`> but we also talk about anything else at that time too
<FORTYoz> I dunno If I can make it, I'm always at work during it and bosses are back from vacation
<angeleye> Ok...It will be interesting...there is good energy here..
<Hermes`> thanks, we try to keep it nice.
<angeleye> *lol*....
<angeleye> It is late here..after midnight and I need to do Kriya before sleep....Be safe with Gods love and light
<angeleye> byez
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<Hermes`> regarding thought and action, on the nonphysical plane thought and action are instantaneous. Which is why the physical plane is a great teacher of the correct use of thoughts..
<Hermes`> on the physical plane you get to see the results of your thoughts over time.
<Hermes`> this teaches you how to properly focus and use your thoughts in the creation of harmony.
<Ren^> but "thinking" is an activity, is it not?
<Ren^> I mean, sometimes I'm more exhausted after solving a difficult math task, than after running a half mile :)
<Hermes`> yes thought is an activity in the way you are asking about it.
<Hermes`> but you must have the thought first to create something.
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<Hermes`> even a math problem begins with the thought to solve it.
<Hermes`> then you go about manifesting that thought
<Ren^> hehe, true. But a very small, instant thought
<Hermes`> you use your mind to calculate the answer. This is a kind of physical action.
<Hermes`> in the nonphysical you would think about some calculation and then the answer itself would also be there at the same time.
<Hermes`> there is no delay to the process, no leg work, If you will.
<Hermes`> of course, keep in mind that nonphysical math is not the same thing as physical math.
<Ren^> ohh, that is also one of quantum theory paradoxes... you can get answer without actual processing, provided that answer exists at all
<Hermes`> there you go
<Ren^> the modern science is going to it!! Yahoo!
<Ren^> I was rather surprised when my professor told this one.. I mean, it sounds really impossible
<Hermes`> well try to calculate the value of PIE on the nonphysical one day.
<Hermes`> and you will see that it can be.
<Ren^> have you tried?
<Hermes`> yes
<Ren^> and you got a complete answer? :)
<Hermes`> oh yes, instantly
<Ren^> which was absolutely clear.. That must be great
<Hermes`> now If you are going to ask me to remember that, well that is rather impossible.
<Ren^> as I understand, nonphysical is everything that is not physical, right?
<Ren^> even Etheric plane would work?
<Hermes`> you may have some limitations in the Etheric plane.
<Hermes`> as time is still connected to it to some degree
<Hermes`> the mental plane would be the place to go to try this out.
<Hermes`> you could use the astral plane but quite frankly you would not be doing this sort of thing there.
<Hermes`> the astral plane is an emotional environment.
<Ren^> I think I know what you mean. I've experience some very wonderful moments there.. These questions just doesn't seem important then
<Hermes`> exactly
<Hermes`> okay I think that will wrap it up
<Hermes`> I'll see everyone on Thursday Come on time If you want to do the meditation
<Hermes`> bye
<MagicMan> see you
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Session Close: Tue Sep 19 18:51:53 2000