Hermes Workshop Log File

Session Start: Wed Oct 18 15:52:00 2000
*** Now talking in #energyworks
*** Topic is 'Astral Projection, Lucid Dreams and more are yours to explore!_'
*** Set by Gamble` on Tue Oct 17 06:33:52
<Hermes`> howdy men and bots
<jsn> hips
<GargowL> hi
<Hermes`> hI gargowl
<Hermes`> I was outside
<Hermes`> with the dog
<GargowL> ok
<GargowL> nobody else here or is there a netsplit going on?
<Hermes`> things are quiet today
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<MagicMan`> hey all
<Hermes`> hI magicman
<Hermes`> so anything good going on?
<Hermes`> I guess not
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<Cyprus_> yooooooooo
<Cyprus_> gargowl: tks for not warning hermes was online :\
<MagicMan`> hI cyprus
<Hermes`> hI cyprus
<Cyprus_> yo magicman
<Hermes`> magicman does not seem to be answering
<MagicMan`> huh?
<Cyprus_> I have a question
<MagicMan`> you mean gargowl
<Cyprus_> gargowl is probably wasting time playing games on the internet
<Cyprus_> did I say time?
<Cyprus_> I meant money(also) ;)
<Cyprus_> I have a question
<MagicMan`> so who is stopping you?
<Cyprus_> KIK
<Cyprus_> LOL
<Cyprus_> right...
<Cyprus_> rephrasing
<Cyprus_> can I ask something?
<Hermes`> sure
<Hermes`> waiting here
<Hermes`> well not exactly waiting, RC2 is being worked on at the same time
<Cyprus_> what
<Cyprus_> what's you opinion about people that seem to die or to be death
<Cyprus_> but then they come alive again
<Hermes`> well sometimes they just change their mind and return
<Cyprus_> hum...
<Hermes`> other times the near-death experience can help to reborn the individual
<Cyprus_> and they don't remember anything?
<Hermes`> well some do and some don't
<Hermes`> but you don't have to remember it to have the effects of the experience
<Cyprus_> hum...
<Hermes`> part of the unconscious mind will always record the experience and it will help to reshape the person's life.
<Cyprus_> but some of them "return" already buried...
<Cyprus_> why do they return if they are already buried?
<Hermes`> okay so we are talking about reincarnation then?
<Hermes`> not a person that dies and comes back to life a few minutes later
<Hermes`> you reincarnate because there is more to learn.
<Hermes`> you have to keep coming back to the planet until all the human lessons are learned
<GargowL> I think cyprus is talking about "buried alive"
<Hermes`> Then you can move on out of the Earth system
<MagicMan`> I think he's talking about zombies or something :D
<MagicMan`> he speaks :)
<Cyprus_> gargowl: exactly
<Hermes`> I have never heard of a zombie in real life
<Hermes`> just in the movies
<GargowL> that happens because doctors think the person is dead, but in fact it's just in some kind of suspended animation
<MagicMan`> so you're basically saying voodoo is crap? :)
<Hermes`> voodoo is a very much a real religion, but zombies are really stretching it.
<MagicMan`> the doll thingy is a particularly interesting case of reality creating in a bad way
<Hermes`> yes it is
<Hermes`> energy transference
<Hermes`> the doll acts like a focus point where conscious energy can be directed at an individual.
<Cyprus_> haven't you heard about cases of people that seems death, but they are actually alive?
<GargowL> I hear about zombies, but they're just stoned ppl...
<MagicMan`> suppose it works in some extent?
<GargowL> uhh... I think stoned is the right expression...
<Cyprus_> in a middle of a funeral for example
<Cyprus_> the person rises, alive
<MagicMan`> yea exactly what I thought, h
<Hermes`> well first off, no one can rise out of a coffin once all his blood has been removed
<Hermes`> however
<Hermes`> there have been instances of people in deep coma that were diagnosed as dead but were not.
<Hermes`> these people woke up in the morgue, hopefully before the blood was taken out of them
<MagicMan`> no point in discussing that ...that's right next to vampires, werewolf...etc
<Cyprus_> hum...
<GargowL> hey... what's the problem with vampires? we DO exist :)
<Hermes`> I guess you are a vampire fan.
<MagicMan`> well one "vampire" existed a long time ago
<MagicMan`> Vlad Tepes
<GargowL> I heard that name before...
<MagicMan`> the guy who inspired bram stoker's novel
<Cyprus_> hum..
<Cyprus_> I thought it was Vlad Dracula
<Cyprus_> a prince
<Cyprus_> of Romania I think
<GargowL> ah yes, I saw hte movie a few days ago...
<MagicMan`> yes that is correct
<MagicMan`> but he was known back then my the nickname "tepes"
<Cyprus_> hum..
<Cyprus_> movie?
<Cyprus_> what channel
<Cyprus_> I read that on a old history magazine
<MagicMan`> which in Romanian means the epilator (if I spelled that correctly). you see the guy had a thing on doing nasty things like that to the turks and his people
<GargowL> "Canal Hollywood" :)
<MagicMan`> I wonder how much karma you gain when you impale 10.000 (not sure on the number) people or more like he did
<MagicMan`> ugh its not easy using non-negative words when talking about that guy
<Cyprus_> LOL
<Cyprus_> I wonder how much karma Hitler gained....
<GargowL> I wonder how much karma Godzilla gained :p
<MagicMan`> I consider Hitler a minor crook considering that this guy enjoyed both ordering and doing the stuff
<MagicMan`> however I don't think 'Godzilla' fits in this discussion
<GargowL> :)
<Cyprus_> lol
<Cyprus_> yea
<Cyprus_> me too
<Hermes`> well karma can mount up pretty high fast with that kind of violence
<MagicMan`> one thing...
<MagicMan`> this seems largely un-logical to me. I mean time is simultaneous on the non-physical so who in their right mind would want to embody a killer or dictator or anything? talk about learning your lessons the hard way.
<MagicMan`> you do have a choice when embodying right?
<Hermes`> you do, but what you do with that embodiment is up to you.
<Hermes`> some people just do not care about karma, they just want their desires at any cost
<MagicMan`> yes but you do know what is to come of it when you enter it, right?
<Hermes`> some people are so blinded by their desire that they just don't care.
<Hermes`> or they incarnate with the best of intentions but get led astray.
<MagicMan`> but they know the future in advance am I right?
<MagicMan`> or is that information withheld?
<Hermes`> when you incarnate
<Hermes`> you set a blueprint down for what you want to accomplish
<Hermes`> then when you get there you alter and change that blueprint as you wish
<Hermes`> the future changes with each moment
<Hermes`> so you can know the future but experience a different one
<Hermes`> once you enter the physical system time is no longer simultaneous, so you can't peek into the crystal ball.
<Hermes`> most people...
<Hermes`> set down some good life planning before they incarnate. Then once they are in the system their decisions change that plan for good or evil.
<MagicMan`> ok I didn't think of alternate dimensions
<MagicMan`> it's somewhat confusing
<MagicMan`> with that new concept in mind time is not only simultaneous but there multiple futures, pasts and presents
<MagicMan`> an infinite number of them I'd imagine
<Hermes`> yes exactly Magicman
<Hermes`> So you see to know the future does not always help you here.
<Hermes`> you can know the future now, but that can change tomorrow as your actions change.
<MagicMan`> that's when reality creating comes in
<Hermes`> yep
<Hermes`> with reality creating you just create the future you want now, moment to moment
<Hermes`> and adjust it along the way.
<MagicMan`> you can't see the future really. you can see only a projection of your reality creation (got it :D)
<Hermes`> great! work there magicman, you have got it!
<MagicMan`> one another thing...this is probably an obvious answer but. Since those principles of the non-physical are completely the opposite of the physical universe there cannot be a single "universe" or a "physical universe" speaking in a more earthly way. then the non-physical is not a part of this universe, it is only connected to it?
<MagicMan`> I don't know if I expressed myself correctly there...always trying to theorize the stuff we learn here eheh :)
<Hermes`> well all these physical universes exist as nonphysical energy in the nonphysical. What makes them physical is when you experience that particular probability.
<Hermes`> some probabilities are personal and others are shared
<MagicMan`> hm I see
<Hermes`> you can begin to imagine just how complex this can get
<MagicMan`> its like you've got a fast number of probabilities and universes no matter how large or how small all inside the non-physical?
<Hermes`> yes
<MagicMan`> I'm trying to get to some larger conclusion following these guidelines ...hm
<Hermes`> this is good, I can sense your mind opening up to all the possibilities here.
<MagicMan`> lemme see E=mc^2 ;)
<Hermes`> hehe
<Hermes`> :)
<MagicMan`> aw nah there should be something (maybe unheard of) that would complete this theory can't reach it right now
<Hermes`> with probabilities and reality creating it is best to look at it from your own personal standpoint first...
<Hermes`> understand it from this perspective, then you can understand it better with the group reality of others.
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<MagicMan`> my rcing - othersrcing/myenergy=manifestation
<MagicMan`> eh eh
<Hermes`> yea
<MagicMan`> well...see you guys
<MagicMan`> class dismissed ;)
<Hermes`> okay good work today magicman
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<Hermes`> well if there are no other questions then, I'll depart as well.
<GargowL> no questions here
<Hermes`> okay then see you tomorrow for the meditation
<GargowL> Farewell
<Hermes`> bye
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Session Close: Wed Oct 18 18:29:08 2000