Hermes Workshop Log File

Session Start: Thu Oct 26 16:21:31 2000
*** Now talking in #energyworks
*** Topic is 'Astral Projection, Lucid Dreams and more are yours to explore!_'
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<Hermes`> hello there people of great linage
<jsn> Hi hermes
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<jsn> Forty you have weird effect to bots =)
<MagicMan`> hi hermes
<MagicMan`> everytime you come up with a new line eheh
<Hermes`> yea, I work hard on those lines
<FORTYoz> hey
<Hermes`> I hope everyone is warming up those meditation muscles
<FORTYoz> wazzzup </budweiser>
<FORTYoz> Hermes`: at work, surrounded by people, today I can't join
<FORTYoz> in the meditation
<Hermes`> oh no, tell them to go
<FORTYoz> "hey boss, scram, I need to meditate" :)
<Hermes`> yea! Exactly
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<FORTYoz> Hmm, they just looked at me funny when I asked them
<FORTYoz> :)
<Hermes`> hehe
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<Hermes`> oh boy, if nobody else shows it wil be just me and magicman
<MagicMan`> what about jason and gamble?
<Hermes`> I don't believe they join in
<jsn> You suppose so?
<Hermes`> well I am not really sure
<Hermes`> we will give it another 10 minutes, then we start Magicman
<MagicMan`> okidoki
<MagicMan`> I wonder if paul lansky's artifice would do for the meditation
<Hermes`> what is that?
<MagicMan`> its an electronical piece with hissing sounds...whispers, modified voices and sometimes there's the sound of deep breathing
<MagicMan`> its one of his early works back in the late 70's
<MagicMan`> you can get it trough the web if you care to do so www.music.princeton.edu/paul/artifice.mp3
<Hermes`> okay I'll keep that in mind
<MagicMan`> also(i think) www.music.princeton.edu/paul/mild.und.leise.mp3
<MagicMan`> ok I don't know if it has any interest
<Hermes`> well it would be interesting to see what you are talking about
<MagicMan`> eheh
<MagicMan`> I'd rate the piece as a visit to the abyss
<Hermes`> that would make interesting music
<MagicMan`> dunno if my intuition is correct never actually heard the sound of "the" abyss
<Hermes`> well it is a dark place, just before you get consumed
<MagicMan`> and you hear strange sounds and voices there?
<Hermes`> once any fear or desire creeps in then you wind up in some kind of vision or dream
<Hermes`> upon successful crossing of the abyss you should not perceive anything
<Hermes`> the only time you will see or hear something is if a fear or a desire was not left behind
<Hermes`> then Khronozon will use that to distract you from crossing all the way across
<Hermes`> it is naturally void of anything
<MagicMan`> ok so its pretty much a quiet place eheh
<Hermes`> a empty darkness
<Hermes`> your thoughts make it come alive with unpleasant results
<Hermes`> when you cross the abyss you have to hold steadfast to your goal
<Hermes`> and not let your mind wander off that goal at all.
<Hermes`> Khronozon is frightened of silence
<Hermes`> so the more silent and still you make your mind the more he will stay away from you.
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<Hermes`> silence is the only way to defeat him (or get past him)
<MagicMan`> nice
<MagicMan`> more demonology tactics
<GargowL> please please please please say you haven't done the meditation yet!
<MagicMan`> hi gargowl
<Hermes`> we were waiting for you
<Hermes`> but next week, we will have already started
<MagicMan`> course not
<GargowL> hey, thanks :)
<Hermes`> okay then lets start
<MagicMan`> we were waiting for you
<MagicMan`> ah :)
<MagicMan`> have we made some arrangement or something hermes? eheh
<Hermes`> for what?
<MagicMan`> <MagicMan`> we were waiting for you
<MagicMan`> <Hermes`> we were waiting for you
<Hermes`> well we were kind of
<Hermes`> we were waiting for someone else
<Hermes`> we need more than two people for a good group meditation
<GargowL> I'll try to get earlier next week
<MagicMan`> yea
<GargowL> I just came now because this is the time Internet gets cheaper
<MagicMan`> yes sure...I won't use the music though...always seems to distract me
<Hermes`> oh I see
<Hermes`> we can change the time
<Hermes`> to now
<Hermes`> I only had it earlier because so many people asked for it earlie
<MagicMan`> well it should
<MagicMan`> if you were on GMT time you'd be on cheap time an hour earlier
<Hermes`> but now three weeks in a row no one really shows up at the appointed time
<MagicMan`> well its to get it done early but I'd say not too early
<Hermes`> we go back to standard time here in the states in a few weeks
<Hermes`> so it will be changing
<MagicMan`> 21:30 - 22:00 GMT should be fine
<Hermes`> okay are you ready gargowl
<GargowL> well, I am one hour earlier than the mainland and I don't know if the phone company sets their price for the whole country or for each time zone
<GargowL> ok, I'm ready
<Hermes`> okay lets go for 15 minutes
<MagicMan`> 15min?
<GargowL> ok
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* Hermes` is back jack
<MagicMan`> yea back too
<MagicMan`> ah I could sleep trough that last 7,30min
<Hermes`> I guess gargowl is really out there meditating, computer and all
<Hermes`> well that is because you are so used to the fast in and out ones
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<MagicMan`> yeah I don't think he wanted to be spending money while out meditating
<MagicMan`> told ya
<GargowL> man, this sucks... my mother came into the room in the middle and asked me what I was doing (I had the lights out and the stereo playing a song)
<Hermes`> okay I'm ready to hear about those adventures
<Hermes`> oh, did you tell her you were meditating
<GargowL> no, I told her to go away, and she did (after asking 3 times if I was allright)
<MagicMan`> not a pleasant situation eh
<Hermes`> that happens,
<Hermes`> my dad came in here too while I was meditating
<Hermes`> after he left I just resumed
<GargowL> but in the end se came into my room again and asked for some help sending an e-mail... by then I had completely lost my concentration and didn't return meditating (and then I explained her what I was doing)
<MagicMan`> but I guess you don't have problems explaining eh
<Hermes`> well in the beginning I did
<FORTYoz> heh
<FORTYoz> my mom meditates
<FORTYoz> but I live alone so no one bugs me :)
<Hermes`> but now they just say "oh!" and leave
<Hermes`> yea sounds like you have a cool mom
<FORTYoz> yeah she's great
<MagicMan`> well nothing much on my meditation since I tried a new approach to it
<GargowL> my mom kind of believes in the paranormal, she meditates (but only to keep her body well) and reads several books about the subject, but she is always telling me to be careful, cos she's afraid I summon an evil spirit or get possessed by a demon or something
<MagicMan`> tried taking the bits and pieces as they came and not trying to make an "animation" per say
<MagicMan`> gee at least yours is cool with it ...I don't even think of mentioning this stuff to anyone I know
<GargowL> I must be playing a lot of Unreal... nearly everything I saw looked like it was rendered with the Unreal engine...
<GargowL> anyway, here's what I saw:
<GargowL> I saw a cross, with a circle around the point where the two lines cross. It was 3d and it's arms were rotating...
<MagicMan`> sounds like you say lots of stuff :)
<MagicMan`> say=saw
<MagicMan`> well that sounds like an fps crosshair
<Hermes`> or a rose cross
<GargowL> then I saw a pyramid... it was composed only of the lines that define the edges and a floor, where there was a bucket with a smaller flying pyramid rotating on top of it
<MagicMan`> sounds like a Merkaba or something
<GargowL> then I was in a tunnel. the walls were mede of rotating colorfull light. Then I saw the tunnel from the outside and there was a silver guy flying inside it. he looked like "silver surfer", but he was flying like the guys in dragon ball (horizontal and with hands on the sides of his body) and he had an aura around him
<MagicMan`> Tree of life tunnels and some dude?
<Hermes`> yes
<GargowL> I also say several times a long tunnel with stone walls and several Skaarj (Green monsters from Unreal)
<GargowL> (I think I really should play less Unreal)
<Hermes`> hehe
<FORTYoz> heh
<FORTYoz> I tried OBE again last night but.. zonked out
<FORTYoz> :(
<Hermes`> I had tunnels as well, I was in a cave on top a tall ice covered mountain. at the end of the tunnel was an orb thing. I put my hands on it and it was warm. I said some strange words, and then the sun came out and the top of the cave opened. I then climbed to the top and few into the air.
<Hermes`> so it is possible the dude you saw flying was me.
<GargowL> oh, that remembers me that I also saw an Icy landscape (but only for a few seconds) and that the pyramid thing was flying, with a blue sky and some white clouds around it
<Hermes`> good, that is why we tell each other this stuff, it helps us remember what we all saw and did.
<Hermes`> that was real good Gargowl
<Hermes`> I'm not sure what Tree of Life sphere we were in though
<Hermes`> I did sense two archangels on the sides of me at the beginning, Raphael and Tzaphkiel
<Hermes`> if that is a sign that would mean Tiphareth and or Binah
<Hermes`> caves are most like the Binah landscape
<Hermes`> it stands right near the abyss so it is a quite place as well
<Hermes`> the opening in the cave could of been the beginning of Tiphareth
<Hermes`> pyramids too are part of Tiphareth
<Hermes`> it is where the healing centers are and they are often in the shape of pyramids
<Hermes`> what about you magicman?
<Hermes`> did you get anything?
<MagicMan`> huh yea nothing much though like I said I tried a new approach
<Hermes`> well good shot anyway
<MagicMan`> some insect like images in the beginning
<MagicMan`> then a symbol a circle with semi circles in it
<MagicMan`> a kind of machine gun
<GargowL> uh I also saw an insect.. a Dragonfly, I think...
<MagicMan`> towards the end I saw some bird head hawk maybe...looked almost human
<MagicMan`> nothing much other than that
<Hermes`> I did get an insect like creature in the beginning, too, it was however the dragon at that place called Camelot.
<MagicMan`> I only saw beetle like insect heads
<GargowL> and two big rusty iron claws, in the shape of a crescent moon
<Hermes`> it used to be very insect like but has been going through changes as it sheds its dark nature and moves into the light. It is more dragon like now.
<MagicMan`> I see its better to pull images then cuz those insect stuff things came in the beginning when I was pushing them
<Hermes`> you do have to pull the images a bit
<Hermes`> otherwise you may not get anything
<MagicMan`> the color of those insects was a vivid green color
<Hermes`> Gargowl, people have seen this dragon in varying forms, but it does sound like it.
<Hermes`> we actually call it a Jackpod, though I am not sure why.
<GargowL> by a dragonfly, I mean an insect with four wings, a long body and that is seen in lakes or swamps, I think...
<MagicMan`> well you said 'jack' when you returned for the meditation :)
<Hermes`> I did, didn't I
<Hermes`> wow
<Hermes`> this jackpod can look like many things. It does have its roots in an insect like appearance, so it is possible you saw it.
<MagicMan`> yes
<GargowL> at start it was mado of stone (rendered in the Unreal engine) but then it became a "real" dragonfly
<MagicMan`> why did you say jack btw?
<Hermes`> I don't know, I just said it
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<Hermes`> well that was a pretty good group meditation
<Hermes`> I don't know what the semi-circle thing was you saw Magicman
<MagicMan`> its a circle with several semi circles in it
<MagicMan`> making the center of the outside circle kind look like a star
<MagicMan`> if you try to draw it...it'll kinda look like a biscuit or donut
<Hermes`> what I mean is I do not know what that could mean
<MagicMan`> oh its probably no big deal
<Hermes`> well it is to me to help you
<Hermes`> everything you see in these meditations means something
<MagicMan`> btw you had the astral shop teaching this week yet?
<Hermes`> not that I can remember
<Hermes`> perhaps tonight
<MagicMan`> okay I just want to try to make it there
<MagicMan`> well see you all
<Hermes`> okay take care magicman
<Hermes`> I'll be going in another ten minutes
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<GargowL> I'll be going soon too... I want to go read a little more of Harry Potter :)
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<Cyprus_> hi
<Cyprus_> finally
<GargowL> bye
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<Hermes`> hi cyprus
<Cyprus_> how r you doing?
<Hermes`> I'm doing well
<Hermes`> you missed the meditation
<Cyprus_> sorry
<Cyprus_> I was studying
<Cyprus_> not to mention I couldn't connect...
<Hermes`> okay
<Cyprus_> what was the topic today=
<Cyprus_> ?
<Cyprus_> besides the meditation
<Hermes`> that was really about it
<Hermes`> we talked about the visions
<Cyprus_> I'm kind of different
<Cyprus_> I now doubt almost everything
<Cyprus_> but I feel confuse
<Hermes`> what is it that you are doubting?
<Cyprus_> life-after-death, reincarnation, channelings, even GOD
<Cyprus_> not to mention other things
<Hermes`> well you are not alone, many people doubt these things
<Cyprus_> yea
<Hermes`> it is hard to believe when you have no proof
<Cyprus_> exactly
<Hermes`> but you see there is a catch. If you wait for proof, you may never get it.
<Cyprus_> how can we know if "channelings" are truly channelings or just our unconscious mind work?
<Hermes`> well to be honest, I believe in channelings but I often don't hold that information in high regard. With channelings they have to be sorted through the person's unconscious mind, and this can add all sorts of things there that were not before.
<Hermes`> channelings that predict the future are even more suspect
<Hermes`> because with probabilities and the unconscious mind sorting thing, they become even more inaccurate
<Cyprus_> also, some things are clearly bullshit
<Cyprus_> like 2 guys that go to a TV (live) talk show
<Hermes`> yes some people just plain fabricate stuff
<Cyprus_> and one of them enters in trance
<Cyprus_> and starts saying lots of bullshit
<Hermes`> with this stuff you have to determine what holds some truth and discard the crap
<Cyprus_> like there are 20 million starships on the planet atmosphere to evacuate the earth
<Hermes`> yea, like I said the information can get a bit distorted
<Cyprus_> yea
<Cyprus_> I also doubt reincarnation
<Hermes`> well you are free to do that
<Hermes`> what is great about the universe is that you do not have to believe in anything. It will still love you.
<Cyprus_> it seems also I have a new fear
<Cyprus_> before it was spiders
<Hermes`> what is it now?
<Cyprus_> its the fear of waking up in a coffin(!?)
<Cyprus_> without being able to get out
<Cyprus_> I probably wouldn't have this fear if I didn't doubt life-after-death now
<Cyprus_> maybe I'm needing a OBE
<Hermes`> well you can ask that this fear be lifted from you
<Cyprus_> like my first OBE
<Hermes`> I do this all the time
<Hermes`> when I discover a fear I'll say something like ...
<Hermes`> "Mighty I Am Presence please release me of this fear in a pleasant manner."
<Hermes`> or you could say something like that
<Hermes`> it may seem strange but this sort of thing does work
<Hermes`> you are the master of your domain and your fears are included in that. Banish them like you would banish a bad hair day.
<Cyprus_> hum...
<Hermes`> you could say "I banish this fear from myself and send it back to the earth to be reprocessed. I no longer need this fear interfering in my life!"
<Cyprus_> actually I think the fear has disappeared already
<Hermes`> there you go, we chased it away
<Hermes`> fear is nothing more than energy that is hanging around you
<Hermes`> get rid of it.
<Cyprus_> hum...
<Cyprus_> I am thinking about buying a Gemstone to wear on my neck
<Hermes`> that can help you as well
<Cyprus_> what do you think is best? (gemstone)
<Cyprus_> (not for that fear stuff)
<Hermes`> what part of your self do you want to work on?
<Hermes`> or improve?
<Cyprus_> hum...
<Cyprus_> on this days, I need something for balancing mental/physical/spiritual
<Hermes`> if you are looking for an all around helper stone then go with a small clear quartz crystal
<Cyprus_> hum..
<Hermes`> I'd go with clear quartz then
<Cyprus_> unfortunately they don't sell that
<Hermes`> small pendent would be nice
<Hermes`> :(
<Cyprus_> I was looking for one
<Hermes`> hematite is good for grounding, rose quartz for self love, jade for wisdom
<Cyprus_> hum...
<Hermes`> you could carry one of each of those around with you, small stones
<Cyprus_> I think I'm gona analyze some lists of gemstones and their uses and decide
<Hermes`> good
<Hermes`> you can use the list on the website if you like
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<Pe-> hey
<Hermes`> http://www.wisdomsdoor.com/st/stones.shtml
<Cyprus_> hey
<Pe-> How is it goin' on?
<Hermes`> going well
<Cyprus_> siO2 , what does that mean?
<Hermes`> that is the chemical composition
<Pe-> Always... :)
<Hermes`> you don't need to know that to pick one out
<Pe-> Silicium Dioxide
<Cyprus_> hum...
<Cyprus_> meteorite
<Cyprus_> I have heard about it before
<Cyprus_> it seems to increase psychic powers
<Cyprus_> hum...
<Cyprus_> agate for epilepsy...
<Cyprus_> I think I am gonna offer that stone a friend of mine
<Hermes`> well I think it is time to go
<Cyprus_> ok
<Cyprus_> cya
<Hermes`> been on long time and I have to edit the log file
<Pe-> See you, Hermes
<jsn> cya
<Hermes`> I'll catch everyone later
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Session Close: Thu Oct 26 19:27:17 2000