Hermes Workshop Log File

Session Start: Thu Dec 07 16:30:23 2000
*** Now talking in #energyworks
*** Topic is 'Astral Projection, Lucid Dreams and more are yours to explore!'
<Hermes`> ohmmmmmm
<Pure`> hi!
<Hermes`> I see we are packing them in today
<Pure`> so how was last night?
<Hermes`> well, I never did make the Sphinx
<Hermes`> for some reason my nonphysical self did not remember to go there
<Hermes`> instead I was at the nonphysical shop
<Hermes`> but I was not alone there
<Hermes`> fook was there and several others
<Pure`> yes he told me you worked on him
<Hermes`> but I do not know who those several others are
<Hermes`> I guess word travels fast
<jsn> Hi.. Not me.. I was somewhere far far away
<Pure`> where was that J?
<jsn> And that is not pyramids =)
<xor--> hi hermes,pure
<Hermes`> so where were you Jason?
<Pure`> hey S, anything last night?
<jsn> I was in some place that seemed to need my help.. I have no idea tho where it was
<Hermes`> what kind of help
<xor--> no pyramids for me
<jsn> There was this bus full of strange looking people who said that they were being there like 2 years already, and I'm not sure who opened the doors for them but they all seemed happy to see me and wanted to come same car with me
<jsn> ..I was not that happy about it tho lol.. They looked so weird
<jsn> But then I thought I must help them as they were being so long already in that small bus
<jsn> which was not working one, so they were being there like ages.. So they told at least
<jsn> I guess no one was there?
<Hermes`> Jason to the rescue
<Hermes`> did you get to see all those people in your car?
<jsn> I only saw few people.. One of them said something to me but he looked so awful that I barely could look at him =)
<jsn> But many of them seemed to fit in the small car which was odd
<Hermes`> you must of found some trapped souls and freed them
<Hermes`> good work Jason
<Hermes`> you get lots of spiritual points for work like that
<jsn> =)
<Hermes`> sometimes when people die they get trapped on the etheric plane and never move on
<Hermes`> often you find them in groups like this
<Hermes`> they have been lost so long they do not know the way back into the light
<Hermes`> it takes someone that is physical to actually help and find these people
<Hermes`> people
<Hermes`> cause the lost soul's light is so weak that not even angels can see them
<Hermes`> but because you are still physically based, it is easy for you to find these people and save them
<Hermes`> as you are much closer to the earth plane and can reach into these areas that the angels can't.
<Hermes`> good job there
<Pure`> but they can be helped only if they ask for it?
<jsn> I remember thinking "I wonder what they've being eating in all that time" that one should have triggered lucid dream! (I could go to pyramids after that!)
<jsn> Could have
<jsn> Pure, so you were alone in the sphinx?
<Pure`> haha I wish
<Hermes`> hehe
<Hermes`> yea they must of been real hungry
<Hermes`> where you wind up Pure?
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<fookbar> hi..
<Hermes`> hi fook
<jsn> hips
<Pure`> I must admit I really didn't do anything for getting there, my thoughts were somewhere else..
<Hermes`> okay, where else did you go then
<Pure`> but I dreamt of being surrounded by snakes. Doesn't a snake represent an enemy?
<Hermes`> ah
<Hermes`> well sometimes
<Hermes`> sometimes snakes mean sexual power
<Hermes`> but they do also mean evil
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<iris^> Hi everyone
<jsn> Hi iris
<Hermes`> hi iris
<Pure`> hi Iris!
<Hermes`> we were just talking about snakes in dreams and what they mean for each of us
<xor--> hi iris
<iris^> It's nice to be here again!
<Pure`> I'd wish I could stay but I must go this second. Later all
*** Pure` (~PureHeart@ar4-m102.tel.hr) Quit (Now I am so thankful I just want to pass on what I learned.)
<Hermes`> well we gained one and lost another
<iris^> wish pure could have stayed
<Hermes`> yea strange how she left so soon
<Hermes`> she does so enjoy the meditation
<Hermes`> which is about another 5 minutes away
<jsn> I see most of regular mediators are not around
<Hermes`> well we do have enough
<Hermes`> okay who is in for this meditation?
<fookbar> sorry. I 'm not in the mood right now, neither I do not have the space in here.
<fookbar> right now
<xor--> I 'm ready
<fookbar> I think I 'm leaving, so please have wonderful meditation you all
* jsn turns invisible
<iris^> I'm ready
<Hermes`> as long as that invisible includes a meditation jason
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<jsn> Well you know I don't do it.. Perhaps in future
<Hermes`> naf just in time for the meditation
<naf> hep
<Hermes`> okay let's start
<Hermes`> 15 minutes
* Hermes` ohmming for 15 minutes
* xor-- is idle, ohmz [bX(l/on p/on)]
*** fookbar (a@user-kuo3-88.dial.inet.fi) Quit (Leaving)
*** jsn (~-@k18.suvela.hoasnet.fi) Quit (-)
* Hermes` done ohmming
<Hermes`> I'll go get a tea while I wait for soren and iris to return
<iris^> I'm back but going for a tea also
* xor-- has returned. (dead, 18m 39s)
<xor--> so I think I 'll get a tea:)
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<Hermes`> oh boy I started a tea yearning
<xor--> doing a chamomile
<Hermes`> good tea for late at night
<Hermes`> which it is where you are
<xor--> yeah
<Hermes`> okay first I got the hermit card and the chariot card except on the chariot card he was wearing a red and white tunic...
<Hermes`> http://www.wisdomsdoor.com/tol/tech.shtml
<Hermes`> ^page with the cards
<Hermes`> then there was this demon
<Hermes`> who I had to dispatch
<Hermes`> then the hermit appeared...
<Hermes`> he told me that "I am he turns knowledge into wisdom"...
<Hermes`> then I and the hermit was standing next to the bridge that is about a mile from Camelot...
[Camelot is a nonphysical place located in Malkuth]
<Hermes`> there is a small stream that flows under it
<xor--> nice
<Hermes`> and then he pointed to Camelot and said "the adventure now starts there!"
<Hermes`> that is it
<Hermes`> okay next
<xor--> ok,going
<xor--> first,I felt the energy very warm and soft..
<xor--> later I saw some birds
<xor--> then I passed trough a flame
<xor--> getting a ..I think is called bow
<xor--> later I found myself in a room with some kind of lesson going on
<xor--> there were some ppl and a blackboard,on that there were 2 painted planets
<xor--> later on I was on a planet
<xor--> there was none around,some plants,white streets and an orange sky
<xor--> and that's all I remember
<xor--> ah,at the end there was some kind of cup
<Hermes`> orange sky, could be mars
<Hermes`> Geburah is orange and has Mars as its planet
<xor--> ah I was forgetting
<xor--> at the very end I was near a river with you and some other else
<iris^> these are similar to my adventure
<iris^> It was strange
<iris^> shall I go?
<Hermes`> yea
<iris^> I found myself in a field in or near Camelot
<iris^> I met the hermit first. He was in the white and red tunic
<iris^> Then others joined me in the field
<iris^> A bright yellow beam shined down on us
<iris^> Next we were lifted up through the beam
<iris^> past the birds and past the clouds
<iris^> past the stars
<iris^> we landed in a place that was like metal
<iris^> It seemed like a spaceship
<iris^> First we were brought to stand around this energy core that powered the place
<iris^> then we were given a tour
<iris^> we went through circular corridors and came out to overlook a planet
<iris^> then we spiraled down to a lower level and had some kind of lesson
<iris^> or walked through a room where a lesson was going on
<iris^> then we were sent back through the beam into the field
<iris^> we were all glowing!
<iris^> then I saw the hermit again near that bridge
<iris^> He said something to me like we were a special group
<iris^> that's about it I think - it was strange but a lot of fun
<Hermes`> wow nice synchronicity
<iris^> yeah!
<xor--> yeah,very nice:)
<Hermes`> Iris you had bits of both mine and Soren's
<iris^> I know I couldn't believe it as you both were telling your adventures!
<xor--> I remember also the circular corridors that took me to planet
<iris^> wow!
<Hermes`> what color were the corridors
<xor--> think always blue
<xor--> but were not so straight and the blue was a deep blue
<iris^> for me they were like purple and blue I think
<iris^> yes
<xor--> planet from distance seemed brown and red..
<iris^> It was almost like walking through a ride at an amusement park
<xor--> yap
<iris^> round and round
<Hermes`> blue would be travel through the hanged man card, if you guys went to a planet in Geburah
<xor--> like intestine:)
<iris^> YES!
<xor--> iris,you remember something about the lesson going on?
<iris^> I wish I did. I'm trying
<iris^> by that time I started thinking that this was so strange I couldn't come back and tell everyone so I started to lose it
<Hermes`> maybe it was about power and strength and defeating your enemies
<Hermes`> just a guess
<Hermes`> that is the lesson in Geburah
<Hermes`> it is also the Sephira of magic, spells
<xor--> I remember 2 planets and a ---> going from one's planet to other
<Hermes`> charging of power
<xor--> (blackboard painting)
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<MagicMan> hi all
<MagicMan> (again)
<Hermes`> hi magicman
<xor--> hi magic
<MagicMan> before I forget pure said she did not get anything on the group attempt
<Hermes`> well good adventures they were
<iris^> hi magic
<Hermes`> Pure was here
<Hermes`> she told us
<MagicMan> oh ok
<iris^> I was told that we would help to bring two groups together
<Hermes`> she got snakes instead
<Hermes`> I wonder what two groups
<iris^> maybe why you saw two planets
<MagicMan> so what's been going on? I've been away from the workshops
<iris^> I thought at first an "alien" group and earth but then I got the feeling it was the physical and nonphysical
<xor--> maybe also if I guess was more like an 'how to travel' lesson or such
<iris^> yes I was told it was an exercise for us
<iris^> the hermit told me that
<iris^> I think we are "bridging" two planes
<iris^> the physical and nonphysical
<Hermes`> true this kind of group travel meditation happening in different parts of the world, will have some kind of impact.
<Iris^> actually I did see that as I went into meditation
<iris^> energy strands connecting all of us
<iris^> it was really nice
<xor--> yes,nice med
<iris^> :)
<Hermes`> yea magicman you missed another good one
<Hermes`> naf, what about you
<Hermes`> anything?
<Hermes`> or did you just sit this one out?
<naf> :)
<naf> well
<naf> I was kinda ftp:ing and updating my pages. ;)
<naf> sorry.
<Hermes`> okay well
<Hermes`> Magicman got any questions, otherwise we will wrap this session up
<MagicMan> wrap=quit?
<Hermes`> yea
<MagicMan> see you
<xor--> got a question about ego
<Hermes`> sure
<xor--> when in nonphysical you said we don't have the ego, just consciousness
<Hermes`> I guess you were tuning into me editing my RC2 book on the ego and consciousness chapter
<Hermes`> correct
<xor--> :)
<xor--> well,a similar state can the very physical drunk state?
<xor--> ca be
<xor--> can
<Hermes`> in a sense, when you are drunk the ego is subdued
<Hermes`> but this is not how it feels when you are in the nonphysical
<Hermes`> you do have perfect clarity
<Hermes`> where as in the physical, when you are drunk you are anything but clear.
<xor--> of course
<Hermes`> however, the American Indian do say that a bit of alcohol as a way to loosen the ego's grip so that a spirit vision can occur
<xor--> Latin's said 'in vino veritas'
<Hermes`> what does that mean?
<xor--> and Greek had their own god:)
<xor--> in the wine there is the truth
<Hermes`> must of been a very happy god
<xor--> yeah, Dioniso:)
<xor--> or also called bacco
<Hermes`> ah yes
<xor--> hope to get in channel with him:)
<Hermes`> well for myself I find that if I have some alcohol it kills my ability to out of body travel or even mental travel.
<Hermes`> so I don't know how this idea got handed down
<Hermes`> that alcohol makes it easier to slip into spirit
<xor--> shamans used some kind of alcoholic and drums to get in trance
<xor--> at least Nordic Europe ones
<Hermes`> yea now drumming is something else
<Hermes`> when I was in England a friend too me to a shamanic drumming
<Hermes`> and it was powerful
<Hermes`> I could feel my body wanting to just zip right out and start traveling
<Hermes`> but I did not want to fall face first onto the floor, so I held myself in.
<xor--> :)
<xor--> drums help you keeping concentrated right?
<Hermes`> well in this case the drumming carried waves of energy
<Hermes`> and the energy just wanted to take your spirit on a journey
<Hermes`> I found it interesting in that with so much noise you could be so easily out of the body.
<Hermes`> Now these guys I was with were really just amateur, but I can imagine the power of a drumming with a full fledge shaman.
<xor--> yeah would be amazing
<Hermes`> okay magicman, now you will have to search for some American Indian drumming music to try.
<Hermes`> it may be better than the brainwave generator you use.
<xor--> or for some alcohol:)
<Hermes`> yea, well perhaps that too
<Hermes`> :)
<MagicMan> sorry I'm not paying attention
<Hermes`> okay anything else?
<iris^> It was nice being with all of you again
<xor--> yes iris,same
<iris^> thanks for sharing in the adventure!
<xor--> tnx to u iris:)
<iris^> I will see you all again soon
<Hermes`> bye iris,
<iris^> bye everyone - see you again soon!
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<xor--> hermes,about RC..lets say I want to become full of wisdom
<xor--> if I think,hey is simple becoming wise
<xor--> and another one thinks
<xor--> is hard and full of obstacles
<xor--> following RC rules I 'll get wise without relevant obstacles
<Hermes`> yes, there are two ways you turn knowledge into wisdom, through strife and through happiness..
<Hermes`> which way is up to you
<xor--> or we must both follow the same way?
<Hermes`> I prefer the happiness way
<xor--> who doesn't:)
<Hermes`> but the happiness way, requires that you learn to accept the things that happen to you...
<Hermes`> and take those things and turn them into positive things in your life...
<xor--> but the wisdom was just an example
<Hermes`> you have learn how to accept change and let yourself flow with it...
<Hermes`> then you will put up no resistance and there will be no strife
<Hermes`> strife happens when you resist a change that is good for you
<Hermes`> because you are refusing to turn knowledge into wisdom
<xor--> ok
<Hermes`> it is not easy, but I can tell you from experience that when you can let go of the tight hold on life, and let it flow, you can make changes in yourself easily and in a fun happy manner.
<xor--> but flow happens because of me
<xor--> basically we create that flow
<Hermes`> yes you do create the flow
<xor--> is like a circular things
<Hermes`> but what happens is you create the flow, then fight the flow
<Hermes`> and this sets up the strife and resistance
<xor--> so once created also if we created bad stuff
<xor--> gotta follow them?
<Hermes`> well once you create something not so good, you can uncreate it, however it does take time and patience to do this
<Hermes`> fighting it does not help
<Hermes`> but concentrating on creating its opposite does
<Hermes`> the complaining and talking about it just makes it worse
<Hermes`> you have to act with action and silence
<xor--> yes,silence is one of the best working thing
<Hermes`> yep,
<Hermes`> when you talk about something you want to create or uncreate you kill the very energy you need to do it.
<xor--> well, I'm going nice workshop
<Hermes`> okay soren
<xor--> see you all!
<Hermes`> see you later
<Hermes`> good questions and session
<xor--> brb
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<Hermes`> bye all
Session Close: Thu Dec 07 18:50:50 2000