Hermes Workshop Log File

Session Start: Thu Dec 14 16:40:46 2000
*** Now talking in #energyworks
*** Topic is 'Astral Projection, Lucid Dreams and more are yours to explore!'
<Pure`> hey
<Hermes`> hello
<Hermes`> I see we have a small crowd today
<Pure`> for time being
<Pure`> so anything to report from last night?
<Hermes`> well, I did not make the Sphinx
<Hermes`> I guess you did not fare to well either
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<MagicMan`> re
<MagicMan`> hi hermes
<Hermes`> Hi Magicman
<Pure`> oh I had a really busy night
<Hermes`> really what happened?
<Pure`> (ok this is from a mail)
<Pure`> I had 2 false awakenings, a snakes-dream, an orgasm-dream (my favorite *g*), a Sphinx-dream (but I don't remember anymore what was happening there), then dreaming of having a ld and then finally having a real ld, and the rest of the night I was sneezing. Quite busy night one could say heh
<Pure`> So I want to tell you about the ld
<Pure`> I was walking on this high wall towards this funny chair on which Hitler or someone nasty like that was sitting just till a few moments ago. And realized I 'm dreaming (also this was a long dream already, and we know that always helps in becoming lucid). I just stepped out into the air and started flying. When I landed on the ground I remembered "Sphinx!!"
<Pure`> Now instead of doing my surefire procedure for getting OBE's from LD's (have no idea why I didn't..), I simply closed my eyes and wished (also asked to
<Pure`> be helped) to get to the Sphinx. I felt I 'm going really fast (backwards!) but through this walls in like some house, hmm could be it was my house (doesn't Hermes say going through wall gets you in an OBE?). So this was going on for a while and then I noticed my brow chakra was pounding like never before, and I guess I got scared, eh. So the whole thing ended and I was back in the physical.
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<Pure`> hi there gnosis
<Hermes`> well it does sound like you were headed someplace
<gnosis-> hi
<Pure`> yea, and could it be it became an OBE?
<Hermes`> A brow chakra OBE can take a bit to get used to
<Pure`> oh
<Hermes`> there is much pain there
<Hermes`> until you learn how to process the energy better
<Hermes`> next time it will not hurt so much.
<Hermes`> However it is less painful to use the solar plexus when traveling out of the body.
<Hermes`> hi gnosis
<gnosis-> hello
<Hermes`> Still you did good there Pure
<Pure`> so what was I to do instead of ending it?
<Hermes`> well next time it won't be so painful, so you will be able to go further and you won't fear it as much
<gnosis-> Have any of you guys flown in an OBE or lucid?
<Pure`> yep gnosis! just last night :)
<Pure`> have you?
<gnosis-> cool :)
<gnosis-> yeah
<gnosis-> I don't know that I would call it flying tho
<Pure`> so you OBE/ld?
<gnosis-> it is more like gliding
<gnosis-> yeah
<Pure`> yeah what?
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<Pure`> hi!
<iris^> Hi!
<gnosis-> I have OBE's and lucids occasionally
<Hermes`> hi iris
<Hermes`> Iris you are on time.
<Hermes`> How come?
<Hermes`> okay silent time
<Hermes`> who is up for the 15 minute meditation here?
* Pure` is
<iris^> I will be in a minute - I have to set up
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<Hermes`> let us know when you are ready Iris
<Hermes`> how about you magicman are you in?
<MagicMan`> no, don't think so
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<Hermes`> hi I wonder
<Pure`> hi iWonder! welcome!
<iWonder> hi
<Hermes`> we're waiting for Iris to return from where ever she is to start the meditation
<iWonder> great
<iWonder> it just started to rain here
<iWonder> hey magic_man
<MagicMan`> oh hi
<MagicMan`> don't worry its stopping already
<iWonder> it is
<iWonder> can u imagine, we live 500 meters away from each other, and we never met
<MagicMan`> er forget what I said :)
<Hermes`> really
<iWonder> it's raining again
<Hermes`> that is close
<Pure`> and who's "fault" is that?
<iWonder> nobody's fault, I guess
<Pure`> so why don't you meet, wouldn't that be kinda cool? :)
<iWonder> dunno, what u tink Magic ?
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<Cyprus_> hi!!!!
<Cyprus_> vacations finally!
<Pure`> hi there!
<iWonder> hi Azores
<Pure`> yay! :)
<Hermes`> another person for the meditation
<Cyprus_> when?
<Hermes`> soon
<Hermes`> few minutes
<Pure`> so what are you gonna do on your vacations Cyprus?
<Cyprus_> hum...
<Cyprus_> computers, chess and friends
<Cyprus_> and some politics things
<Cyprus_> I am thinking of going to the Portuguese Communist Youth
<Pure`> no skiing? heh
<Pure`> oh
<iris^> Are you all still waiting?
<Cyprus_> there is no snow here
<Pure`> yea was just kidding
<Hermes`> yea we are
<Hermes`> are you ready iris
<Hermes`> then we will start
<Cyprus_> wow
<Cyprus_> just a minute
<Cyprus_> I need to go to the bathroom
<Cyprus_> :)
<iris^> I am ready
<Hermes`> okay as soon as Cyprus returns
<iWonder> hi iris
<iris^> Hi!
<iris^> sorry to keep you all waiting
<Cyprus_> sorry
<Cyprus_> I'm back
<Cyprus_> how much time is the meditation?
<Hermes`> 15 minutes
<Cyprus_> 15 minutes!?
<Cyprus_> hum...
<Cyprus_> sorry
<Cyprus_> but I', out
<iris^> Is that too long?
<Cyprus_> its is for me now
<iris^> :(
<Hermes`> how about 10 cyprus
<Cyprus_> hum...
<Cyprus_> maybe 10 is better
<Hermes`> okay then 10 minutes, let's start
<iris^> well, why don't you come along for as long as you want to?
<Cyprus_> ok
<Cyprus_> 5
<Cyprus_> 4
<Cyprus_> 3
<Cyprus_> 2
<Cyprus_> 1
<Cyprus_> start
<Cyprus_> :)
<iWonder> go
<iris^> ok
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<Cyprus_> back
<Cyprus_> hum..
<Cyprus_> maybe I came too earlier
<gnosis-> maybe :)
<iWonder> depends Cyprus
* Hermes` has returned
<Hermes`> okay Cyprus how did it go?
<Hermes`> welcome back gnosis
<gnosis-> thanks
<Cyprus_> +-
* iWonder I 'm here
<Hermes`> did you feel anything, see anything Cyprus?
<Cyprus_> basically I saw images of my exgirlfriend
<Cyprus_> but I think I felt some presence
<Cyprus_> not sure through
<iris^> I 'm here
<Hermes`> okay how did your's go iwonder?
<iWonder> well, I stared at the ceiling and felt 2 presence at least
<iWonder> did u let ur beard grow on ?
<Hermes`> well I don't have a beard, but I have not shaved today
<Hermes`> however
<Hermes`> Sandalphon has a beard
<iWonder> the other presence was a woman, wearing glasses
<Cyprus_> why doesn´t Sandalphon shaves also?
<iWonder> he does need need to ?
<iWonder> lol, Cyprus
<iWonder> good one
<Hermes`> You should ask him Cyprus
<Hermes`> Iris you wearing your glasses today?
<iris^> yes I am :)
<Hermes`> or maybe Pure wears glasses?
<Pure`> nope I don't
<iris^> my reading glasses
<iris^> They are on now
<Cyprus_> iris, are you a women?
<Hermes`> okay then if it was thick beard it was not me, if it just looked like the face needed a shave then it could of been me you saw and Iris.
<iris^> yes - in this lifetime :)
<Hermes`> good answer
<iWonder> it was a thick large beard
* Hermes` has the electric razor out
<iWonder> time travel ?
<iWonder> wow, the future Hermes :)
<iWonder> don´t forget to shave ehehe
<Hermes`> yea
<Hermes`> if I forget to shave that is what I will look like
<Hermes`> :)
<iWonder> well, u had a really "respectful" look
<Hermes`> well that is good to know
<iWonder> just describing my vision
<Hermes`> okay anything else?
<Hermes`> well I found myself in a castle of light. The castle was empty but had a future echo of being full. I could hear lots of people gathering there but in the future.
<Hermes`> I mostly walked around the place looking out the windows and stuff
<Hermes`> for a moment in the beginning of the meditation I was in Camelot by the bridge where I was last week.
<Hermes`> then the scene changed to that castle of light
<Hermes`> okay Pure what did you get?
<Pure`> nothing really
<Hermes`> :(
<Hermes`> but what is the really part?
<Pure`> I mean I didn't *see* anything
<Hermes`> did you feel anything?
<Pure`> I did get some feelings but wouldn't know how to describe them
<Hermes`> well I guess that leaves you Iris
<iris^> At first I saw the Hermit
<iris^> then I connected with the group
<iris^> we spiraled through what seemed to be stardust and passed the clouds
<iris^> and landed in a field
<iris^> In the field we got a lesson but I don't know who was teaching it
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<iris^> then we were all sitting in a circle in the field
<iris^> and were told we had to find something
<iris^> I picked up two large gold keys
<iris^> we sat in the field and held hands and the keys
<iris^> and everything went green
<iris^> plain solid green
<iris^> I was told that these are exercises for us
<iris^> I saw the Hermit again and that was about it
<iWonder> anyone saw a massive, too heavy, big gray steel ball with unusual lines on it ?
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<iris^> I didn't
<Hermes`> I 'd say that one is hard to miss
<gnosis-> haha
<iWonder> this was the last glimpse (spelling ?) I had
<iWonder> what about the golden keys ?
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<iris^> they said they were the keys to Kether
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<Hermes`> ah
<Hermes`> I was in Kether
<Hermes`> I forgot to mention that the castle of light was there
<iris^> wow
<Hermes`> I actually wound up there because of an encounter last night with some beings..
<iWonder> hermes, who's the archangel of the helmet ?
<Hermes`> Binah: (Understanding)
<Hermes`> Greater understanding of sorrows and burdens; Mother-type information; understanding on its deepest level; for strength through silence; understanding anything secretive. (color = black/ planet = Saturn /archangel = Tzaphkiel/ Angelic order = Aralim / God-Force = JEHOVAH ELOHIM)
<Hermes`> that is the guy with the big Helmet Tzaphkiel
<iris^> when I go to Binah it is all gray
<Hermes`> he appears as a big being wearing a helmet
<Hermes`> usually I fit in the palm of his hand, but he has appeared to me on occasion in more human proportions
<Hermes`> yea Iris it really is a dark gray
<iWonder> it really felt as heavy, as a big burden sort of feeling
<Hermes`> not completely black
<iWonder> dark steel gray ?
<Hermes`> yea like that
<iris^> it is right under Kether, no?
<Hermes`> yea
<Hermes`> just below the Abyss
<iWonder> going back to the keys
<iWonder> why two ?
<iris^> I don't know
<iris^> They were very big
<iWonder> to unlock Kether, two golden keys are needed ?
<iris^> maybe because the number two means partnership
<Hermes`> well everything in Binah is big
<Hermes`> so the keys could be connected to Binah
<Hermes`> and perhaps
<Hermes`> I was in the castle in Kether waiting for others to use the keys to get there
<iris^> yes they were big as the things in Binah
<Hermes`> or something like that
<Hermes`> in the castle there was this echo of people who would come
<iWonder> may be two doesn´t mean two
<Hermes`> in dreams when there are more than one of something it usually refers to time
<Hermes`> two days, weeks, months, years
<iWonder> or, one lock, 2 keys
<iris^> when we sat in the circle I held one key in each hand so the people on each side could hold the other ends and hold the hand of the next person on the other side until we were all connected
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<Hermes`> well the only key you need to get to Kether is to just clear yourself of all the physical excess baggage
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<iWonder> merge both keys in one by some means...
<iWonder> ... just wondering
<MagicMan> bye all
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<iWonder> bya magic
<iris^> what is the significance of the color green?
<Hermes`> green is a manifestation energy, so it could have something to do with the manifestation of things.
<Hermes`> it also is a healing color
<iris^> well that's what I saw when we held these keys
<Hermes`> green in dreams:Taken most directly from nature, these hues often are expressive of constancy, self-affirmation, security, self-esteem, and of deeply rooted pride. A healing meditation may contain green, as it is the color of new growth.
<Hermes`> green in healing: Charging the heart chakra, balancing the aura, general healing, sometimes charging the aura to ensure well being and health, and to remove illness.
<Iris^> well, I felt a lot of pride being part of this group!
<iris^> and a lot of well being
<iWonder> that´s nice of you, iris
<iris^> :) really from the heart
<Hermes`> I'll be back in a moment have to let the dog out
<iris^> It is a very nice feeling t
<iWonder> I once said I felt the group like family
<iris^> to be with all of you
<iris^> that is how it feels to me
<iWonder> I don´t come more often, cause I arrive all beat up from work
<iris^> me too sometimes
<iris^> I let other things get in the way
<iWonder> I know the feeling :)
<iris^> but now I am trying to be here more because it is what is really important
<iris^> it is not always easy to remember this though
<iWonder> read my thoughts
<iris^> :)
<iWonder> I mean u read my thoughts :)
<iris^> I know :)
<iris^> We are fortunate to have one another - not many people are concerned about these things
<iris^> that we share here
* Hermes` has returned from letting the dog out
* iWonder Hermes so why is the dog still sitting by yourside ?
<iWonder> just kidding
<Hermes`> hehe
<Hermes`> well he is in the other room now
<Hermes`> well a pretty good meditation
<Hermes`> sometimes these things we see in meditation become clear over the course of the next few days
<iris^> very true
<iWonder> what do you make out of it ?
<Hermes`> gold is a high vibration
<Hermes`> and green is lower
<Hermes`> so I assume it has to do with manifesting
<Hermes`> taking a spiritual energy and transmuting it to the physical plane
<iris^> now I was told this in the beginning of the meditation
<iris^> actually, Hermes, remember I told you I meditated a few minutes before we meditated as a group?
<Hermes`> yea
<iWonder> sounds logical, but I 'm still puzzled with 2 keys
<iris^> during that time I was taken to a place that I thought was Camelot but I don't think it was
<Hermes`> maybe that castle of light?
<Hermes`> did it look like a castle?
<iris^> yes
<Hermes`> then that was probably the place I was
<iris^> and I could sense a lot of activity but I didn't see any
<iris^> they must have sensed my puzzlement
<Hermes`> there was activity just not at that moment, it was in the future
<Hermes`> it was an echo of activity to come
<iris^> and so they told me that many things that manifest in the physical get created there first
<iris^> they actually seemed like echoes
<iris^> - the activity sounds
<Hermes`> which is true the undifferentiated energy of spirit flows down through the abyss and then splits in polarity below the abyss.
<Hermes`> Binah and Chokmah are like two big transformers that balance this energy out
<iris^> right
<Hermes`> it has to be balanced because now it has a polarity
<iris^> yeah!
<Hermes`> the hidden Sephira Daath sits in the center of these two
<Hermes`> it is in this region that the mage draws power to manifest things in the physical plane
<Hermes`> however Daath is not an easy energy point to balance because of the constant flow of energy with two polarities flowing through it.
<Hermes`> when we are not balanced then our creations do not reflect the energy of spirit properly.
<Hermes`> and the creation has too much of one polarity
<Hermes`> so maybe the two keys are Binah and Chokmah
<iWonder> unbalanced
<Hermes`> yea it becomes unbalanced
<iris^> that makes a lot of sense
<Hermes`> unbalanced reality creations wind up creating negative karmic energy and that keeps the mage grounded below the abyss.
<iWonder> therefore the green color ?
<iWonder> as a symbol
<Hermes`> perhaps, green is a earthly color
<Hermes`> earthly
<iWonder> I 'm not familiar with the tree of life
<iris^> perhaps we are learning to create as a group
<Hermes`> yea could be
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<Hermes`> we do all share in the group learning here and energy
<iWonder> that could explain the circle, Iris
<iris^> yes
<iris^> in the end we put the keys in a safe place so we could come back and use them again
<iris^> (safe)
<iWonder> never heard of Daath Sephira till now
<Hermes`> it is the secret Sephira
<Hermes`> it is where the fall of man began
<Hermes`> it is the at tree that man could not eat out of in the garden of Eden
<iWonder> so Binah is knowledge, understanding
<iWonder> what is Chokmah ?
<Hermes`> Chokmah: (Wisdom)
<Hermes`> Greater personal initiative; a source of energy which puts things in motion; Father-type information; realization of one's abilities; realm of receiving energy and of seeing God. (color = gray / archangel = Ratziel/ Angelic order = Auphanim / God-Force = YAH)
<Hermes`> and Daath is knowledge
<Hermes`> Daath
<Hermes`> Daath gives you the knowledge of polarity
<Hermes`> good, evil, male, female
<Hermes`> right, wrong
<Hermes`> without entry into Daath man had no such knowledge
<Hermes`> once he was exposed to this knowledge the fall began
<iWonder> understanding + wisdom
<Hermes`> he was able to manifest his energy in ways he was unaware of
<iWonder> then Daath must be hold the key to Kether
<Hermes`> yes I suppose it does
<iWonder> still it doesn't make sense
<Hermes`> well it does not have to make complete sense
<iris^> and we manifest through knowledge and feelings
<iWonder> but why keeping Daath secret ?
<Hermes`> with knowledge comes the power to use your creations out of balance
<Hermes`> before that we just did what we were told
<Hermes`> once we opened up the source of knowledge we were able to choose what we wanted to manifest
<Hermes`> and some of that was not good
<iris^> but if we manifest through feelings then we are listening to our inner selves
<Hermes`> but of course in order for us to evolve we had to go into Daath and expose ourselves to it
<iWonder> I see
<iris^> I think knowledge got in the way of us knowing our feelings
<iris^> and our inner selves
<Hermes`> yes, knowledge can be powerful glamor
<iWonder> Daath is the serpent ?
<iWonder> Adam, Eve
<Hermes`> well Daath is just a place of knowledge, how you use it.
<Hermes`> the sergeant wanted to expose man to knowledge so that the fall could begin
<iWonder> I was trying to place it in the puzzle
<Hermes`> this is not the biblical version I am going to tell here about the fall...
<Hermes`> at one time man was in a perfect place and the Gods (The Elohim) at that time kept watch over him.
<Hermes`> man was designed to illuminate and bring spiritual energy into the physical plane...
<iWonder> that was the time when Adam could see the 4 corners of the universe ?
<Hermes`> yea, I think
<iWonder> sorry
<Hermes`> no good point
<Hermes`> at this time
<Hermes`> man was able to travel freely
<Hermes`> he had no negative karma keeping him from reaching Kether
<Hermes`> The tree of life was set up by a God-force greater than the Elohim...
<iWonder> why ?
<Hermes`> to teach man how to use the power of creation on the physical plane
<Hermes`> it was the Elohim's job to implement this.
<Hermes`> however, the Elohim for whatever reason, decided to keep man in his unknowing state...
<Hermes`> so he would not let him enter Daath, where the knowledge of polarity existed
<Hermes`> this went on for awhile...
<Hermes`> finally the Godhead (force above the Elohim) sent a being to expose man to Daath
<Hermes`> this being was from the Melchizedek order
<Hermes`> which resided in the local solar system here
<Hermes`> he then exposed Eve and then Adam to the tree of life sphere of Daath
<Hermes`> and once that happened man's fall began,
<Hermes`> the Elohim could no longer hold man in this perfect place because he was now creating disharmony
<iWonder> I follow
<Hermes`> So while the sergeant was the bad guy he also was the good guy, in this instance
<Hermes`> he freed man so that he could learn how to use his creative powers
<Hermes`> even though those powers may destroy h I',
<Hermes`> to the people of that time
<Hermes`> this knowledge of good and evil was a bad thing because it caused them to lose their perfect state of being
<Hermes`> in reality it was all part of the training.
<iWonder> duality was open at Daath
<Hermes`> right
<iWonder> or the sense of duality
<iWonder> sense
<Hermes`> man is neither god nor animal...
<Hermes`> to become a great creator on the physical and other planes he must be able to balance himself below Kether where the energy has polarity
<Hermes`> this is the path we have all chosen
<Hermes`> keeping us in a untouched state was not helping us on this path we had chosen
<Hermes`> so now we have the knowledge of polarity and we must learn how to use that in harmony with God on the physical plane and beyond
<iWonder> but for that, there has to be a point of reference
<Hermes`> the point of reference is the perfect creation that exists in Kether
<iWonder> otherwise we won´t know whether we're using too much or too little (negative or positive)
<Hermes`> this of course is part of the problem
<Hermes`> as man lost his connection to Kether, he lost the ruler to guide him
<Hermes`> this happened because his creations went out of balance and negative karma was created keeping him from being one with the energy in Kether
<iWonder> correct me if I 'm wrong, there no straight path from Malkuth to Kether
<Hermes`> Malkuth Yesod - Tiphareth - Daath Kether
<Hermes`> http://www.wisdomsdoor.com/tol/directory.shtml
<iWonder> there is a straight line ?
<iWonder> I'll have to study the tree of life
<iWonder> darn :)
<Hermes`> :)
<iWonder> right, if not wrong Daath blocks the way
<Hermes`> yep
<Hermes`> you can see it on the map on that page I just posted
<iWonder> I just saw it
<Hermes`> ah good
<Hermes`> the idea is to stand in Daath and remain perfectly balanced
<Hermes`> then the energy of Kether flows down within you and then you can direct it in harmony
<Hermes`> otherwise the energy goes out from Kether to Binah on one side and Chokmah on the other
<Hermes`> Daath is the only place where you can tap both polarities in equal strength
<Hermes`> Tiphareth while in the center has the energy flowing through it from the other spheres, so the energy here is not perfectly formed for creation.
<iWonder> and u can only reach Daath from Tiphareth or Kether
<Hermes`> yea
<iWonder> Tiphareth must be a product of Geburah and Chesed, right ?
<iWonder> could be from Hod or Metzach
<iWonder> could be from Hod or Netzach
<Hermes`> well all the spheres feed Tiphareth in some way
<Hermes`> which is why it is a teaching level
<Hermes`> the class rooms are there
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Session Close: Thu Dec 14 19:59:39 2000

Note from Hermes on this session:

In the revisited version of the fall of man and the Garden of Eden recounted here, I do not wish to imply that a serpent did not exist at that time. The serpent was man himself and how he began to use the reality creating knowledge obtained from his early encounters in Daath. Once man was made aware of his reality creating power and the fact that he could create in harmony with the universe or not, it was up to him to decide. Of course as the story goes, he did not use this knowledge so well, and because of this action his perfect reality began to decay. This decay did not happen in an instant. It took several generations as man's creations went progressively further from harmony. And of course you know the rest.