learning to pace yourself as you acquire spiritual energy; negative energy and illness and how the body handles it; the need for solitude while learning new beliefs; witchcraft and surviving knowledge; ghosts noises; energy hot spots, what you can do with them, and what to watch out for
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Session Start: Tue Jan 22 16:33:11 2002
*** Now talking in #energyworks
*** Topic is 'A teacher affects eternity; He can never tell where his influence
<jsn> I think your dates are mixed up on the wshops page
<hermestr> I did
<hermestr> oh no
<Dovey> hello :-)
<hermestr> hi dovey
<Dovey> hello hermes
<hermestr> are you new here or just old with a new nickname
<Dovey> I am new, just found you yesterday
<Dovey> wonderful information, had to come :-)
<hermestr> great, thanks for visiting
<hermestr> you are right jason I messed up the date
<jsn> not a big deal tho =)
<hermestr> well fixed it but that does not help us for today
<Dovey> I was late dropping in yesterday so worked for me
<hermestr> ah good move dovey
<hermestr> so what information were you looking for when you came across
<Dovey> a friend sent me to a old log for twin souls, doing some work
in that area
<Dovey> though I found a lot interesting, I've read a lot of the esoteric
things but didn't much understand some at the time
<hermestr> well, it takes time to understand everything up there. But
small steps will do it.
<Dovey> lol yes
<Dovey> I was surprised how much more I already seemed to understand
now and had not really read much
<Dovey> the first reading was sheesh maybe 5 or 6 years ago
<hermestr> then you have made good progress
<Dovey> surprising a little :-)
<Dovey> all the dream information and things on meditation and conscious
connection was also good
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<Dovey> so I'm interested in everything
<Dovey> you work a lot with Theosophy, or it just came to you in your
<Dovey> I saw St. Germain somewhere and smiled to myself
<hermestr> yea there was a period of a few years back where I had made
connection with Saint Germain. He helped me get my thought energy under control.
<Dovey> I am working with that again recently through meditation
<hermestr> yea it is those subtle ways we betray ourselves and others
with our thoughts.
<hermestr> I was amazed when it was pointed out to me.
<Dovey> so many layers of it
<Dovey> once you are clear, how do you stay there in relationship with
<hermestr> well at times some detachment is necessary and some time
to yourself in meditation, to purge yourself of what you may pick up from
<hermestr> and you have to find your limits
<hermestr> you have to know how long you can stay around others without
your own energy being lowered to a point where you can not control it anymore
<Dovey> seems my lessons these days are exactly that :-)
<hermestr> yea once you find that point you will find it easier
<hermestr> getting there means you have to go past it sometimes
<hermestr> so it may be bumpy for a bit
<hermestr> and of course sometimes your friends and relatives won't
understand when you need to be alone to recharge
<Dovey> I wonder about detachment and connection, I see many who say
they are connected but feel more cut off
<Dovey> I am playing with this balance too, trying to find a genuine
<Dovey> yes, that's an issue as well
<hermestr> yea it takes practice
<hermestr> I even mess up from time to time with it
<Dovey> that's reassuring to hear
<hermestr> in the beginning days, I used to get really drained and sometimes
even sick after being around too many people.
<hermestr> well first I had spent a couple years in isolation
<hermestr> doing lots of meditation and out of body traveling
<hermestr> meeting these beings of light.
<hermestr> in all that time being charged up from their high energy
<hermestr> so when that period ended and I started to be among people
more, I found that high-energy charge which made me feel real good, was drained
away real fast.
<hermestr> and I would feel awful.
<Dovey> you would think there is protection in that level of energy
but it's depleted fast
<hermestr> I'd spend days in isolation again just trying to recover
the energy I lost
<hermestr> yea it goes real fast
<hermestr> I thought I would never be able to be around people ever
<Dovey> wondered the same here, some friends of mine wondering the same
<hermestr> but over time, I did learn to tap more energy and to be able
to share more of that energy with others
<Dovey> by time you are speaking of years it sounds like
<hermestr> but perhaps you can do it quicker
<Dovey> hard to say these days
<Dovey> quick and slow seem kind of relative ;)
<MedSoul> Hey hermestr and Dovey
<Dovey> hi MedSoul
<MedSoul> And jsn :)
<hermestr> hi medsoul
<jsn> hi medsoul =)
<MedSoul> is everyone ok tonight on channel? I'm all flu'ed down at
the moment :(
<hermestr> I'm well here
<Dovey> tired but no flu yet, sorry to hear that MedSoul
<MedSoul> Does bring me to a question actually - is a cold or influenze
say, just a disposition or glitch in the Aura - physical body relationship
or really actually a bug??
<MedSoul> yea this ones left me with very blocked ears so its lucky
im typing hehe
<hermestr> from an energy stand point the body is riding itself of built
up negative energy. Negative energy builds up on the etheric level, then filters
down to the physical level if it is not cleared. The body then reacts to remove
the negative energy through illness.
<MedSoul> So, clearing methods would include MPE's etc?
<hermestr> yea, mpe, meditation, and working on removing negative thoughts
<hermestr> but the first two will help a great deal till you can get
the third under control
<MedSoul> which takes some practice I guess as those negative energies
ain't that friendly and easy to master!?
<hermestr> yea takes lots of practice
<Dovey> how does this work with more chronic things, immune system fatigue
etc, more stuck or...?
<hermestr> when large amounts of energy sit there for a long time then
you get the real nasty stuff manifesting
<hermestr> yea negative thoughts, actions, they are like taking a hammer
to the body
<MedSoul> ok - this stumps me more. we (all the family in the house)
all went down with it at the same time
<hermestr> well what happens is you have this built up negative energy
that needs to be released
<hermestr> it is not being cleared on the etheric plane so it has to
be then cleared physically
<hermestr> the body then looks for an illness it can grab on to, to
make this happen
<MedSoul> wow cool
<hermestr> so in the case of your family, each of your bodies saw the
illness as a way to remove negative energy from you. and you all get it at
the same time.
<hermestr> till the next time.
<hermestr> but with energy work MPE, WLE, some meditation, and perhaps
some herbs, you can really take that out of your life
<hermestr> reduce the amont you spend feeling ill to may be once a year
or even less.
<MedSoul> this is real incredible stuff!
<hermestr> and then with your body already at a low negative energy
level, because of all the clearing work you are doing regularly
<hermestr> you will never get that real nasty stuff
<MedSoul> so out bodies sought a dumping mechanism; a immune system
<hermestr> intelligent thing the body consciousness
<MedSoul> ok this is clearing things up to something I've been meaning
to clear up and was confused about..
<MedSoul> since I've started med and MPE's on a regular basis, I haven't
got I'll for well over a year .. everyone around me, my girlfriend, her parents
and my family all got ill but me, I just stayed well..
<MedSoul> so I guess that just about answers why I didn't get ill (until
<hermestr> good work
<MedSoul> god imagine try and tell someone in my family THIS is why
you are ill
<hermestr> yea they will think you are nuts
<MedSoul> but, seriously, they would yea!
<hermestr> I know I've heard it from mine, they think I went off the
deep end a long time ago.... oh well
<MedSoul> say if I was to talk to them about it.. I'd walk off doubting
myself and certainly whats been said in this chatroom!
<MedSoul> haha! <giggles>
<hermestr> that is true, they will try to unprogram you to their own
<hermestr> this is another reason why a bit of solitude is good for
these kinds of studies
<hermestr> it gives you a chance to test the new beliefs out without
anyone trying to influence the results
<MedSoul> yeah and trouble is, the belief's are stronger on their half
and there is more visible and substantial evidence to believe there side (even
tho there is more;) )
<Dovey> good point
<hermestr> yea you have to be real strong
<MedSoul> so what we just been talking about is mostly about being strong,
<hermestr> yes, either that or spending time alone in the dessert
<MedSoul> id be dead hehe
<hermestr> well luckily these days you can do it without getting that
<Dovey> oof lol
<hermestr> people are a bit more tolerant these days
<hermestr> yes sometimes
<MedSoul> I want to goto see a desert! I wanna travel
<MedSoul> tolerant? u mean the sunblock factor is higher
<MedSoul> hehe :oP
<hermestr> well you could look at tolerant in that manner. :)
<MedSoul> Hermes do you mean that people have become tougher?
<hermestr> I mean people are more willing to let you be your own way
<MedSoul> hehe it IS one way I suppose!
<hermestr> where as 100 years or more ago people would just shoot first
ask questions later
<MedSoul> god yea! I agree with u
<MedSoul> or burn you for witch craft, certainly us
<hermestr> basically that is why those masters went off into the desert
or the forest to be alone and learn
<hermestr> they knew people would just not understand
<MedSoul> went to an interesting witch craft museum with my girlfriend,
Gem, not so long ago.. learnt some important things
<Dovey> yogis in their caves and such
<hermestr> yea dovey, exactly
<MedSoul> so they wud banish those to have them out of the way and the
knowledge stay minimum
<Dovey> <shudders> it's hard to believe that really was a blink
<Dovey> now we are trying to stay where we are, big change
<MedSoul> in this witch craft museum I saw the spells they cast; they
were very hard and complicated ways of manipulating energy
<hermestr> I know, we have come a long way in a short time if you really
think about it
<hermestr> yea that old magical stuff was not easy
<hermestr> you had to be very precise with how you sent the energy out
<MedSoul> its the modern world, the technology wow.. things have accelerates
<MedSoul> hehe it looked rich in visuals and do's but hap-hazard in
reality creating hehe
<Dovey> I wonder though sometimes
<MedSoul> for what?
<Dovey> it's amazing there's any trace left, they got their stuff out
<MedSoul> are you talking of the things that were destroyed? witchcraft
<MedSoul> * witchcraft
<MedSoul> gmm I guess somethings were saved back in little wooden lofts
and underground bunkers
<MedSoul> what did survive is very important, especially of this occult
<MedSoul> it shows that for ages humans have attempted to control realities,
but in some way, weren't sure of exactly how to do it
<MedSoul> and what's more amazing now, in addition to what you were
saying about this happening all in a short time is, we have leaned to purely
and precisely control realities NOW and here, today
<MedSoul> we'll be real human beings in the next 100 years :)
<hermestr> yes sounds about right :)
<MedSoul> proper ones, not just people tripping up and wondering what
to do next
<hermestr> people are coming together. it will happen, and is on its
<MedSoul> *cough* ooowww I might go soon and get some nice drink for
my throat, this flu has me bed ridden alot
<hermestr> ok, yea take care of that flu
<MedSoul> how long Hermes, until people are brought together in this
way do you think?
<Dovey> it's been a real pleasure
<MedSoul> like-wise guys :) thank you
<hermestr> I think we will see great changes in people over the next
<hermestr> but there may be some discomfort along the way
<hermestr> after that, however, people will be different
<Dovey> clearing clearing clearing <grins>
<MedSoul> yea I was thinking something like that.. seems very short
term indeed. it is accelerating
<hermestr> yes as the planet's vibrations go up (it evolves too) so
does the rate at which we must develop and learn.
<MedSoul> Dovey what are you clearing?
<Dovey> stuff I don't even know to tell you it feels like
<MedSoul> I sure hope they also realize they must stop killing mother
<Dovey> yes people must see this, we hope
<MedSoul> otherwise there will be no vision at all to hold to
<MedSoul> mentally send me the feeling Dovey :)
<Dovey> I'm clearing things on levels I'm not even conscious of, I sent
but I'm a little tired too ;-)
<Dovey> I have a twin nearby these days
<MedSoul> Ohhh! I got that!.. I see a wizard lying in bed
<Dovey> interesting that is exactly what he is and where he is. lol
<MedSoul> Hermes, do you know you remind me of? If I could ever see
you, in my imagination you are just like Gandalf from The Lord Of The Rings
<MedSoul> Is that true Dovey? hehehe
<hermestr> humm I have not seen that movie
<Dovey> um yes. lol
<hermestr> I'll have to look that guy up.
<MedSoul> Read the book
<Dovey> I still like Merlin as well :-)
<MedSoul> the movie's merely a snippet of the book
<MedSoul> oh yeah old Merlin kicks some serious butt!
<MedSoul> But the movie IS a feat of cinematic performance! wow I was
<Dovey> I've heard nothing but raves and I was kind of skeptical for
<Dovey> haven't seen it yet either
<MedSoul> says on the blur.. 'book of the century', lives up to it for
<MedSoul> yea, check it out guys. Hermes you'll understand why you remind
me of Gandalf if you know of him, he is One Of the Wise :)
<MedSoul> anyway, I'm going to drown my bad influenza energies in a
warm drink now and some nice food, speak to you all later if not soon
<Dovey> have a wonderful evening MedSoul
<hermestr> okay get well soon
<MedSoul> (the book reminds me of how Malkuth would be like if I could
interpret it like that)
<MedSoul> thanks guys, take care and goodnight. light, love and peace
<Dovey> I think I need to reread synchronicity too after I rest.
<Dovey> it's been a real pleasure Hermes... you here on Thursday also?
<hermestr> I'll be here
<hermestr> I'm leaving as well
<hermestr> see you then, great chat
<Dovey> Till then
<Dovey> Is there a way to save this?
<hermestr> um well I'll be posting the log file on the website later
<hermestr> so you can get it from there if you like, if your program
does not save it
<hermestr> you came in from the website?
<Dovey> I'll get it then if I can't find it here
<Dovey> yes, using the web browser one
<hermestr> ok that one does not save the file
<Dovey> hi Nox
<Dovey> it'll be on the site though ;-)
*** NoxAngelu is now known as GargowL
<hermestr> yea in a few hours
<hermestr> hi Gargowl
<Dovey> see you rested on Thursday. <chuckles>
<hermestr> okay take care dovey
<Dovey> blessings all
<GargowL> hmm.. I had something important to ask you... but I forgot
<GargowL> oh, I just remembered something else..
<GargowL> I on the discovery channel that there is a group of people
the record ghost's voices...
<GargowL> they go to "haunted" places and record... and then
when they edited the sounds on the computer there are some voices on a very
<GargowL> impossible to be caused by humans...
<GargowL> is it really possible for the dead to manifest this way physically?
<hermestr> it takes a great deal of energy but they can often make sounds
or move objects
<hermestr> usually these beings are very angry and that emotion helps
to supply the energy needed.
<hermestr> some of these ghost places are energy hot spots..
<hermestr> so the ghosts are able to tap into a larger amount of energy
<hermestr> in most cases they could only make that noise or move that
object in that area near that energy vortex.
<GargowL> can the living also tap those energies?
<hermestr> but mostly it is used in this case for manifesting things
<hermestr> you won't be moving objects with this energy
<hermestr> being human ties up a great deal of energy
<GargowL> then if somebody wants to try telekinesis, this would be the
place to go?
<hermestr> there is not much energy left for levitation and such.
<hermestr> it could me more possible to move an object in such a place
<hermestr> but as I said you would still find it difficult
<GargowL> how about astral projection, spells and spiritism?
<hermestr> sure all that stuff would be easier
<hermestr> but also remember
<hermestr> you fears will manifest just as quick
<hermestr> so it is a good idea to have a handle on your emotions, feelings,
and negative thoughts before going to such a hot sop
<hermestr> hot spot
<GargowL> are these hot spots located at random places or do they exist
more in certain places?
<GargowL> like graveyards, churches...
<hermestr> they are in precise places on the planet. Many ancient churches
were constructed on these spots, to take advantage of the healing and spiritualizing
effects of the area.
<hermestr> usually the monks or priests did much to tender the environment
so that the energy was used to create harmony
<hermestr> which is why people would feel great when they were there
<hermestr> the monks would tap into the vortex and use this energy to
lift the negative energy from all who came.
<hermestr> they would then channel this negative energy into the earth
and use it to grow plants and stuff
<hermestr> for an untrained person, these energy hot spots can be nightmares
<hermestr> I mean
<hermestr> a hot spot that is not maintained, like the monks did
<hermestr> thoughts can instantly manifest and usually it is the person's
<hermestr> which is also why these haunted houses possess such fear
<GargowL> so a house on a hot spot can become haunted or be a heaven
for astral projections?
<hermestr> it depends on who is there and how they use the energy
<hermestr> I lived in a house on a hot spot
<hermestr> when I was a teenager
<hermestr> I had frequent out of body travels that scared the pants
<hermestr> I had no idea what was going on.
<hermestr> also while I was a positive person and was able to use that
energy to manifest nice things in my own life
<hermestr> my parents were very negative in nature and many not nice
things were manifested by them.
<hermestr> we eventually had to move because it got so bad.
<hermestr> but when we did
<hermestr> I lost my magic touch as I call it
<hermestr> but it was good
<hermestr> it taught me to work on making that magic touch in my life
without a vortex
<hermestr> which I have done now after many years of practice
<GargowL> well, I gotta go...
<hermestr> yea me 2
<hermestr> talk to you later
Session Close: Tue Jan 22 18:44:25 2002